Check out article and # 5.
Thanks, Cicero.
Posted on 12/18/2013 7:01:10 PM PST by WhiskeyX
HONOLULU —"I'm no hero, I'm just doing my job in a bad situation," said Makani Kai Air pilot Clyde Kawasaki at a news conference Wednesday morning. [....] The salvage operation for the Makani Kai plane that crashed off Kalaupapa last week will end at nightfall today, no matter what is retrieved or not retrieved. The boat should be back in port in Honolulu by Thursday morning.
(Excerpt) Read more at kitv.com ...
Where`s the black box?
"It was devastating to say the least. Initially everyone said that everyone was accounted for and everyone was okay. So I couldn't understand how that could happen at that time...that she could have passed. 'Cause everyone seemed fine when they got out of the airplane."
Presumably the salvage crews will be pulling out the aircraft along with any such equipment by sometime tonight, if it proves to be the correct wreckage. The aircraft is reported to be in about 50-60 feet of water depth. It is still not clear whether or not the sunken aircraft that was found is the crashed Cessna they want.
Thanks. This is really the first article I’ve seen that gives any details.
If the wind and waves were as bad as he says, then it’s understandable that no one may have seen what happened to Fuddy. Which still leaves open the question of whether this could have been a Ron Brown thing.
What I find very strange is that they will stop looking for the plane at nightfall whether or not they have found it. Then the National Transportation Safety Board “will continue investigating the crash to try to determine a cause.” How on earth will they do that if they don’t bother to keep looking for the plane?
I find that the head of the NTSB is a Democrat, originally appointed by Bush and reappointed by Obama. She has military family connections but seems to have had a political career:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Hersman
hero? crashing a plane is heroic?
:p
“Poor Fuddy - the only one that managed to drown.”
Of all the people aboard the aircraft, Fuddy’s physical condition was probably the worst risk for surviving conditions of hypothermia and exhaustion in those rough seas. The water temperature was something like 77-78.1F. If Fuddy’s core body temperature was reduced to 90F, which is mild hypothermia to 86F or less, which is severe hypothermia, then the trauma of the crash combined with the hypothermia could have caused her respiratory rate, heart rate, hypoglycemia to crash and result in unconciousness and/or some form of fatal cardiac or renal failure.
Luxembourg bank aacount does provide some comfort, I’d wager...?
No strolls through Fort Marcy Park, though, and steer clear of potato guns —wouldn’t want a spontaneous center-fuel tank detonation...
Check out article and # 5.
Thanks, Cicero.
Ditching in 6 foot waves so everyone gets out of the aircraft isn’t shabby, though, given the necessity.
Yep
Was a Coast Guard chopper mysteriously on the scene immediately after it happened?
She didn’t drown. She was fine and in a life jacket, according to the reports, and everybody except the deputy director of health was surprised to find that she had died.
It was about a half-hour before rescue crews got there, and by that time Fuddy had drifted 200 yards from the others, according to one report, so she had let go of Yamamoto’s hand and become unresponsive quite some time before the 30 minute wait for help was done. Yamamoto was holding her hand trying to calm her down immediately, which suggests that she was having some kind of trouble that he alone knew about, among all those aboard, by the time she hit the water. She wouldn’t have had time for hypothermia to make any difference before she exhibited symptoms.
Was Fuddy hypoglycemic? Has that been reported somewhere, or is this an example of the kind of body functions you say could be affected by 77-78-degree water?
From the article:
“Kawasaki says he did not know about the death of Loretta Fuddy until he got back to land.
“It was devastating to say the least. Initially everyone said that everyone was accounted for and everyone was okay. So I couldn’t understand how that could happen at that time...that she could have passed. ‘Cause everyone seemed fine when they got out of the airplane.”
Yamamoto saw Fuddy let go his hand and go unresponsive and he apparently didn’t tell anybody. He was aware that she needed to be calmed down - apparently because she was panicking or in distress - and he didn’t tell anybody else.
When they made it onto Molokai just those 2 were taken to a “care home”, where the priest gave last rites to Fuddy and consoled a “distraught” Yamamoto.
“Was Fuddy hypoglycemic? Has that been reported somewhere, or is this an example of the kind of body functions you say could be affected by 77-78-degree water?”
I haven’t seen such a report yet, but I’ve been looking for any mention of that or any mention of diabetes. Even relatively non-obese and healthy people can encounter potentially lethal problems in such a situation. A person with pre-existing health problems is just that much more prone to stress in a disaster like this. See for example the complications resulting from hypothermia in the Wikipedia article on hypothermia.
I was flagging hypothermia as a contributor to Fuddy’s death in my anticipation the future autopsy report will include mention of it as a factor.
Picture it...The impact of a crash like that is enough force to crack ribs when your torso is brought up short by the seat belts. The aircraft is flooding with waist high seawater on the pilot as the passengers start climbing out of the aircraft to step into the rough seas and strong currents. The pilot has a gash on his head and blood all over the control panel. Another male passenger has a cut on his head. There is no lifeboat to keep you out of the water and away from the sharks. Need I say more?
From http://www.swimmingpool.info/temperature.html :
“What should the temperature of a swimming pool be?
The decision on how warm to keep the pool is up to the individual owner. The pool temperature recommended by the American Red Cross for competitive swimming is 78° F. However, this may be too cool for young children and the elderly who may require 80° F or higher. The typical range is 78°- 82° F. “
From http://scuba-doc.com/coldjolie.html :
DOES FAT MATTER?
There’s a growing body of opinion (that means that two people have said it) that fat does not keep you warm, or does not help unless you are obese. However, research consistantly substantiates body fat as a major deterrent to heat loss.
Body insulation increases directly with the average thickness of the fat layer under the skin (Park et al., 1984) and with deep body fat (Carlson et al.,1958). People with thicker fat layers lose less core heat at rest and during exercise both in cold air and cold water (Dulac, 1987; Wolff, 1985). Thicker people tolerate a lower temperature before shivering, and their core temperature does not drop as fast during swimming in cold water compared to thinner people (Veicsteinas & Rennie 1982). Thin people raise their metabolic rate higher than fatter people in a none too successful attempt to keep as warm as the more calorically challenged (Keatinge,1960). There is no question that the advantage is to the young and the globular.
DO MUSCLES MATTER?
Muscles are wonderful. Nothing wrong with having more muscle than less. However the statement that muscle is somehow ‘better’ than fat at insulation doesn’t lend itself to sweeping conclusion. Muscle and skin provide less thermal resistance than fat (Veicsteinas et al., 1982). During exercise, muscle rapidly convects away the heat it produces, making fat a better insulator during exercise in cold water like scuba diving (Rennie,1988).
When the swimming pool water and/or the gusting winds get too stressful, you can normally just climb out and put some warm dry clothing on. In a survival situation at sea, you cannot. See the article and note its temperature chart:
United States
Search and Rescue Task Force
Cold Water Survival
http://www.ussartf.org/cold_water_survival.htm
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