Posted on 12/13/2013 1:00:32 PM PST by Kevmo
Smoking Gun” of LENR: Fleischmann Project results duplicated in one Day, Celani cell verified as LENR device Published November 7, 2013 | By jennifer
TheMartin Fleischmann Memorial Project may have discovered the “smoking gun” of low energy nuclear reaction (LENR). The project’s blog is claiming that French scientist Jean-Paul Biberian independently replicated and confirmed one of its low energy nuclear reactions with less than 24 hours of work.
Two project researchers Mathieu Valat and Bob Greenyer were able to detect gamma pulses every time they filled a Celani Cell with deuterium and switched it on. Valat and Greenyer are so confident about their discovery that they discussed it on YouTube. They believe this is evidence of LENR, when Jean-Paul Biberian duplicated this experiment he was able to get a similar result.
Gamma Ray detection experiment with Celani Cell courtesy Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project
“Essentially it means that we have a device that is doing low energy nuclear reactions,” Greenyer said of the Celani Cell. Valat said the device can be turned on and off.
Could also Verify Ecat
The gamma ray emissions from the Project cells were similar to those Francesco Celani detected coming from a demonstration of Andrea Rossi’s Ecat in Bologna, Italy, in January 2011. Celani is the invetor of the Celani cells. Celani apparently detected a large emission of gamma rays from Rossi’s ecat. The amount of rays emitted actually exceeded the detection capability of the gamma ray detector Celani had with him. Celani and a colleague were so scared by this they were ready to leave the room fearing there was a radiation leak.
Instrument showing some of the Project's results courtesy Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project
The two were then told that Rossi had just turned on the ecat. Celani believes that this was a nuclear reaction. When he saw what they were doing, Rossi asked Celani to stop examining the reactor. Rossi was apparently afraid that Celani had figured out how the ecat worked and could learn how to duplicate his research.
That would seem to indicate that Greenyer, Valat, Celani and Biberian have been able to duplicate some of Rossi’s work. That seems to justify some of Rossi’s claims.
At the 18th Annual International Conference on Cold Fusion in August conference a government scientist asked Celani about this incident, Bob Greenyer said. The scientist wanted evidence of a reaction that could be used to demonstrate LENR. From this discussion Greenyer was prompted to look for gamma bursts in Celani cells by that combination.
Greenyer said that this might explain how LENR occurs. He believes a combination of pressures is causing the gamma emissions.
The Fleischmann project will need more advanced equipment and experiments to discover the cause of the reaction. In particular it will need a better gamma ray detector.
Greenyer admits that he doesn’t know what is causing the reaction. It could be pressure or shock related or both. Valat said that the project will need to do more research to determine the cause. The project will need more funding to purchase better instruments to detect and measure gamma emissions.
Some of that funding and research will come from EarthTech International a privately funded organization in Austin, Texas, that researches novel ideas in Physics. EarthTech’s Marissa Little said her organization wants to revisit LENR and work with the Fleischmann Project.
One of EarthTech’s missions is to explore excess energy claims about various technology. The Institute’s website specifically mentions cold fusion as one of the Excess Energy sources it is looking into and the terms Low Energy Nuclear Reaction and Chemically Assisted Nuclear Reaction.
It isn’t clear what EarthTech’s role will be yet. The Institute could try to duplicate the Celani Cell or simply examine the Fleischmann Project’s research or both.
It’s interesting to note that National Instruments the instrument manufacturer which is strongly supportive of LENR is also based in Austin. It isn’t clear whether EarthTech has a connection to National Instruments or not.
Still the news from the Fleischmann Project is exciting because it seems to verify Celani’s claims and Rossi’s. It’ll be interesting to see how Rossi and other researchers will react to this.
That doesn't prove we got "nothing". That's your claim, so that's your burden.
Yes, it is proof. You got nothing. No hot-fusion cars, no hot-fusion water heaters, no hot-fusion electricity generators. Proof.
Hot fusion gives us the same as cold fusion here. But there have been $hundreds of Billions spent on hot fusion, and only tens of $millions on cold fusion. If cold fusion had 2-3 % of that budget, we’d have cold fusion cars by now.
Then your standard of proof makes everything you say suspect.
It’s the same standard the skeptopaths use. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Or are you arguing that there should be 2 separate standards? It wouldn’t surprise me.
You've accused me of being a "skeptopath" and I've never used that standard, so you've already belied your own argument.
Okay, then for you, here’s the 14 order of magnitude difference in bang4thebuck between cold fusion and hot fusion:
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14 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE! Here’s an illustration: It’s like you’re saying a flea that weighs 1 gram can knock over a healthy elephant that weighs 10,000kilograms. That would be 7 orders of magnitude. So what you’re really saying is that the flea could knock the earth, Venus, Mars, and Neptune off their orbits due to normal kinetic energy. That’s how much of a difference it is. So, well, maybe I exaggerate “just a little” when I say that the flea is nothing and there ain’t no poskibility that it could knock over 4 planets. That’s what 14 orders of magnitude look like. Good luck with your supposedly non-skeptopathic standard.
14 orders of magnitude of exactly what?
Read it. None of this PTSIFOM garbage.
All you know is "14 orders of magnitude", and don't even know what's being measured?
You didn’t read it. Typical skeptopath. In your case, typical trolling behavior.
Time for me to make a prediction.
TL will not read the link. He will continue to dance around the issue. He will add nothing constructive to this thread. It is unfortunate, too, because this is the first LENR thread where one of the more notorious skeptopaths actually contributed something to the furtherance of the science. For ONCE.
Well, I might as well start thanking TL for bumping the thread, as usual, with the T4BTT acronym.
LOL! You don't even know, do you?
Of course I do. I’m the one who wrote the article. So now we know you didn’t read it, typical behavior of skeptopaths. Thanks for fulfilling my prediction. Perhaps some day it will bother you that you’re so predictably on the skepto-path.
Thanks for Bumping the Thread T4BTT
So you're using yourself as your authoritative reference?
I’m using myself as a way of knowing what’s in the article. Your accusation was that I didn’t know. My prediction was that you wouldn’t read it. You didn’t read it. Typical skeptopath.
Thanks for Bumping the Thread T4BTT
Oh well, T4BTT
That’s hilarious!
T4BTT
I didn’t realize that you made it up onto the board. Now, that’s hilarious!
asked & answered
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I cancel it when the browser warnings popped up.
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