Hot fusion works. It's scientifically understood and useful.
Electrochemical cold fusion is nothing but entertainment for kooks and cranks.
Posted on 12/13/2013 1:00:32 PM PST by Kevmo
Smoking Gun” of LENR: Fleischmann Project results duplicated in one Day, Celani cell verified as LENR device Published November 7, 2013 | By jennifer
TheMartin Fleischmann Memorial Project may have discovered the “smoking gun” of low energy nuclear reaction (LENR). The project’s blog is claiming that French scientist Jean-Paul Biberian independently replicated and confirmed one of its low energy nuclear reactions with less than 24 hours of work.
Two project researchers Mathieu Valat and Bob Greenyer were able to detect gamma pulses every time they filled a Celani Cell with deuterium and switched it on. Valat and Greenyer are so confident about their discovery that they discussed it on YouTube. They believe this is evidence of LENR, when Jean-Paul Biberian duplicated this experiment he was able to get a similar result.
Gamma Ray detection experiment with Celani Cell courtesy Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project
“Essentially it means that we have a device that is doing low energy nuclear reactions,” Greenyer said of the Celani Cell. Valat said the device can be turned on and off.
Could also Verify Ecat
The gamma ray emissions from the Project cells were similar to those Francesco Celani detected coming from a demonstration of Andrea Rossi’s Ecat in Bologna, Italy, in January 2011. Celani is the invetor of the Celani cells. Celani apparently detected a large emission of gamma rays from Rossi’s ecat. The amount of rays emitted actually exceeded the detection capability of the gamma ray detector Celani had with him. Celani and a colleague were so scared by this they were ready to leave the room fearing there was a radiation leak.
Instrument showing some of the Project's results courtesy Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project
The two were then told that Rossi had just turned on the ecat. Celani believes that this was a nuclear reaction. When he saw what they were doing, Rossi asked Celani to stop examining the reactor. Rossi was apparently afraid that Celani had figured out how the ecat worked and could learn how to duplicate his research.
That would seem to indicate that Greenyer, Valat, Celani and Biberian have been able to duplicate some of Rossi’s work. That seems to justify some of Rossi’s claims.
At the 18th Annual International Conference on Cold Fusion in August conference a government scientist asked Celani about this incident, Bob Greenyer said. The scientist wanted evidence of a reaction that could be used to demonstrate LENR. From this discussion Greenyer was prompted to look for gamma bursts in Celani cells by that combination.
Greenyer said that this might explain how LENR occurs. He believes a combination of pressures is causing the gamma emissions.
The Fleischmann project will need more advanced equipment and experiments to discover the cause of the reaction. In particular it will need a better gamma ray detector.
Greenyer admits that he doesn’t know what is causing the reaction. It could be pressure or shock related or both. Valat said that the project will need to do more research to determine the cause. The project will need more funding to purchase better instruments to detect and measure gamma emissions.
Some of that funding and research will come from EarthTech International a privately funded organization in Austin, Texas, that researches novel ideas in Physics. EarthTech’s Marissa Little said her organization wants to revisit LENR and work with the Fleischmann Project.
One of EarthTech’s missions is to explore excess energy claims about various technology. The Institute’s website specifically mentions cold fusion as one of the Excess Energy sources it is looking into and the terms Low Energy Nuclear Reaction and Chemically Assisted Nuclear Reaction.
It isn’t clear what EarthTech’s role will be yet. The Institute could try to duplicate the Celani Cell or simply examine the Fleischmann Project’s research or both.
It’s interesting to note that National Instruments the instrument manufacturer which is strongly supportive of LENR is also based in Austin. It isn’t clear whether EarthTech has a connection to National Instruments or not.
Still the news from the Fleischmann Project is exciting because it seems to verify Celani’s claims and Rossi’s. It’ll be interesting to see how Rossi and other researchers will react to this.
Hot fusion works. It's scientifically understood and useful.
Electrochemical cold fusion is nothing but entertainment for kooks and cranks.
My goodness, that’s beautiful. No one has posted a hydrogen bomb on a LENR thread as an example of controlled hot fusion for a long time. Because of how incredibly stupid it reveals you to be.
I think this is the last time someone was dense enough to do it:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2914989/posts?page=17#17
Sure, you can release that much energy. But can you control it, harness it? 60 years and $600 Billion later, the answer is NO. Not only no, but Hell No.
Wow, what an amazing display of ignorance.
Hey Mastador1, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH! Get some maturity
remember that part where it was said you just can’t let it go? look in the mirror, it’s you.
Night night I don’t play with broken toys.
***What does that even mean? My goodness, are you too ashamed to defend your stated position? Run out of scientific facts to rely upon?
"Belief and passion" have precisely nothing to do with my position. I am focused SOLELY on the experimental scientific data and nothing else. Said data shows that LENR is completely real and worthy of much more intense research. Research which is not and has not been adequately funded (despite the fact that every in-depth review of the science has recommended funding, including those done by EPRI and DOE).
Editor-Surveyor says that $600 BILLION dollars has been spent on hot fusion research. I doubt that $60 million has been spent on LENR research, which already shows more promise toward delivering a practical result than any of the approaches to "hot fusion".
Your every comment thus far on this thread fits into the "pathological" category. The "until I can...flip a switch....boil my teakettle.....power my house" type comment is always the end point of the skeptopath argument. It gets repeated so often that it would be funny if not so sad.
"And should such a day come I will on my honor offer you the most heartfelt public apology that I can."
Let's just say that "I'm a skeptic" on this point.
The government spends lots of money on things that can potentially be used as weapons. Apparently we’re supposed to forget that and believe all the money spent on hot fusion research was all about power generation.
Also, hot fusion scientists aren’t making false claims about sustainably producing more energy than they put in. The cold fusion crackpots have been making fantastic claims about energy production for decades, yet they have nothing to show for it.
The National Ignition Facility uses laser compression and it is quite successful at executing its mission.
Why does cold fusion need all that money for research? With all the fantastic claims of success it should be ready to go to market.
Had it been anything but a costly boondoggle, we would now be using our online fusion reactors.
The entire project never proved anything not already established by the late Kip M Segal. It was Nucol’s big ego party from start to finish. He was embarrassed by Segal’s low-dollar success. That is why he shut him down.
Apparently we’re supposed to forget that and believe all the money spent on hot fusion research was all about power generation.
***However much money was spent on the controlled hot fusion boondoggle, it has given us nothing. Yet we hear ‘skeptics’ loudly proclaiming that LENR research is useless and should be shut down. Such ‘skeptics’ never loudly proclaim that the hot fusion research was a scam. It’s just the standard skeptopath vigilante censorship in action.
Also, hot fusion scientists aren’t making false claims about sustainably producing more energy than they put in.
***Because they can’t. Feel free to post where such “false claims” are being made by cold fusion scientists. After all the trolling you’ve done on these threads, such a task should be easy. And you should have done it long ago.
But you won’t. Because you can’t.
With all the fantastic claims of success it should be ready to go to market.
***With all the fantastic money we’ve spent on controlled hot fusion, it should have been in the market for a decade.
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quite successful at executing its mission.
***Then where are our hot-fusion powered cars? We spend $billions on a mission that doesn’t even include breakeven technology. What a waste. Cold Fusion is 14 orders of magnitude better bang for the buck.
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Feel free to post where such “false claims” are being made by cold fusion scientists.
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2012/Miley-Eight-Watts-for-100-Seconds.shtml
Perhaps you should open a thread to see drill down on this development.
That’s actually a good catch. For the first time on one of these threads I find you to be a true skeptic. I don’t see Miley retracting the claim, just backtracking and weaseling. I agree that it’s a false claim.
Of course, in LENR, the only time we’ve seen a verified fraud was from MIT when they fraudulently changed their results that were actually positive. A report by Dr. Eugene Mallove explains how MIT falsified tests of Pons and Fleishmann back in 1989 in order to squash cold fusion. They wanted to maintain their lucrative hot fusion research grants. This fraud by MIT is partly responsible for setting back cold fusion research over the past 20 years.
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/mitcfreport.pdf
Source?
Yet we hear ‘skeptics’ loudly proclaiming that LENR research is useless and should be shut down. Such ‘skeptics’ never loudly proclaim that the hot fusion research was a scam. It’s just the standard skeptopath vigilante censorship in action.
If you can't support the claim that we've gotten nothing out of hot fusion reseach, you're no less "skeptopathic" about that than the people you're accusing of being "skeptopaths" about LENR.
Source?
***The lack of that hot-fusion powered car in your back yard. It feels so refreshing to use the skeptopaths’ arguments against themselves, even if they are horse manure.
If you can’t support the claim that we’ve gotten nothing out of hot fusion reseach,
***What a ridiculous hypothetical. Of course I’ve gotten nothing out of controlled hot fusion research. That means WE’ve gotten nothing. Where is YOUR hot fusion car?
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you’re no less “skeptopathic” about that than the people you’re accusing of being “skeptopaths” about LENR.
***You really have gone off the loopy end in these past few days. Lurkers can look through your posting history to reveal a.... simple troll.
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