Posted on 12/13/2013 1:00:32 PM PST by Kevmo
Smoking Gun” of LENR: Fleischmann Project results duplicated in one Day, Celani cell verified as LENR device Published November 7, 2013 | By jennifer
TheMartin Fleischmann Memorial Project may have discovered the “smoking gun” of low energy nuclear reaction (LENR). The project’s blog is claiming that French scientist Jean-Paul Biberian independently replicated and confirmed one of its low energy nuclear reactions with less than 24 hours of work.
Two project researchers Mathieu Valat and Bob Greenyer were able to detect gamma pulses every time they filled a Celani Cell with deuterium and switched it on. Valat and Greenyer are so confident about their discovery that they discussed it on YouTube. They believe this is evidence of LENR, when Jean-Paul Biberian duplicated this experiment he was able to get a similar result.
Gamma Ray detection experiment with Celani Cell courtesy Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project
“Essentially it means that we have a device that is doing low energy nuclear reactions,” Greenyer said of the Celani Cell. Valat said the device can be turned on and off.
Could also Verify Ecat
The gamma ray emissions from the Project cells were similar to those Francesco Celani detected coming from a demonstration of Andrea Rossi’s Ecat in Bologna, Italy, in January 2011. Celani is the invetor of the Celani cells. Celani apparently detected a large emission of gamma rays from Rossi’s ecat. The amount of rays emitted actually exceeded the detection capability of the gamma ray detector Celani had with him. Celani and a colleague were so scared by this they were ready to leave the room fearing there was a radiation leak.
Instrument showing some of the Project's results courtesy Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project
The two were then told that Rossi had just turned on the ecat. Celani believes that this was a nuclear reaction. When he saw what they were doing, Rossi asked Celani to stop examining the reactor. Rossi was apparently afraid that Celani had figured out how the ecat worked and could learn how to duplicate his research.
That would seem to indicate that Greenyer, Valat, Celani and Biberian have been able to duplicate some of Rossi’s work. That seems to justify some of Rossi’s claims.
At the 18th Annual International Conference on Cold Fusion in August conference a government scientist asked Celani about this incident, Bob Greenyer said. The scientist wanted evidence of a reaction that could be used to demonstrate LENR. From this discussion Greenyer was prompted to look for gamma bursts in Celani cells by that combination.
Greenyer said that this might explain how LENR occurs. He believes a combination of pressures is causing the gamma emissions.
The Fleischmann project will need more advanced equipment and experiments to discover the cause of the reaction. In particular it will need a better gamma ray detector.
Greenyer admits that he doesn’t know what is causing the reaction. It could be pressure or shock related or both. Valat said that the project will need to do more research to determine the cause. The project will need more funding to purchase better instruments to detect and measure gamma emissions.
Some of that funding and research will come from EarthTech International a privately funded organization in Austin, Texas, that researches novel ideas in Physics. EarthTech’s Marissa Little said her organization wants to revisit LENR and work with the Fleischmann Project.
One of EarthTech’s missions is to explore excess energy claims about various technology. The Institute’s website specifically mentions cold fusion as one of the Excess Energy sources it is looking into and the terms Low Energy Nuclear Reaction and Chemically Assisted Nuclear Reaction.
It isn’t clear what EarthTech’s role will be yet. The Institute could try to duplicate the Celani Cell or simply examine the Fleischmann Project’s research or both.
It’s interesting to note that National Instruments the instrument manufacturer which is strongly supportive of LENR is also based in Austin. It isn’t clear whether EarthTech has a connection to National Instruments or not.
Still the news from the Fleischmann Project is exciting because it seems to verify Celani’s claims and Rossi’s. It’ll be interesting to see how Rossi and other researchers will react to this.
I have yet to see any of the first type.
***I’ve seen a few. They usually head on over to lenr-canr.org and might read a few of the introductory papers. They tend to go silent after that.
A person claiming rational/scientific skepticism usually doesn’t have to say it in all caps.
We’d be driving LENR cars by now if only 2% of that money had been diverted to it.
The first thing I can tell you the amount of anger toward skeptics of and the pathological devotion by the proponents of any scientific theroy especially one that hads yet to have any true success in being proven is in itself a big red flag of caution to me.
TSK...TSK editor-surveyor if you would just read the papers on it.
Now how about you float me a few million?
bump
Now you’ve done it! Welcome to the world of luddites according to Kevmo! if you don’t joyfully embrace and refute any and all skepticism you are a anti science medievalist! Well, welcome to the club, the meeting will come to order shortly. P.S., Kevmo does not handle differing views well. And Kevmo don’t get all bent out of shape, it’s not an attack just simple truth.
pathological devotion by the proponents of any scientific theroy
***And exactly what theory is that? Do you even know the difference between theory and observation of facts? The fact that you don’t know “ is in itself a big red flag of caution to me.” WW is correct in identifying your skepticism as pathological.
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As the keeper of the Preppers’ PING List for the past 4 years I been threatened, maligned and attempted to be bullied by the best of them, so let them huff and puffy away.
***And as the keeper of the LENR ping list I’ve been subjected to the same level of horse manure. I expected more from you than horse crap.
There is no scientific theory of LENR. My support of LENR is totally based on experimental evidence, not theory. And in the world of science, experiment trumps theory.
Your statement "yet to have any true success" is simply wrong. "True success" in the world of science comes from replicated experiments....which have been done, and the results are available.
But I'll ask again......what scientific evidence have you studied on the subject?
Well, not quite yet. I'm collecting evidence. The pathological sorts always eventually self-identify.
So will he threaten to feed me a bullet if we ever meet? Or worse?
Please, don’t be so melodramatic, Kevmo is exceptionally passionate about LENR, so much so as to be ridiculously impatient and rude with ANYONE who questions the science or reality of LENR. I think you will find that your being the target of his adolescent vituperation puts you in good company.
Please, don’t be so melodramatic,
***Good advice.
Kevmo is exceptionally passionate about LENR,
***Yup. Given that this Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated more than 14,000 times, it pushes my passion.
so much so as to be ridiculously impatient and rude with ANYONE who questions the science
***And where is the science being questioned? None of the skeptopaths seem to want to do it. Because they can’t.
or reality of LENR.
***Interesting perspective. Of course, to label my writings as “adolescent vituperation” leads one to believe that somehow the skeptopaths are being more “adult” when they refuse to examine the science behind the claims???? bowlsheet. They don’t even address the science. Just simple bandwagon jumping.
puts you in good company.
***There’s that bandwagon again. Address the science. You don’t because you can’t.
Hey Kevmo, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH! Get some maturity and just let it go instead of constantly reacting to people like a child. If you are as confident as you proclaim you don’t need to respond to us lowly luddites that you believe don’t match your brilliance. Don’t bother responding because I won’t and golly I thought I was actually pretty kind and and supportive of you, but there you went again sliding down the emotional scale.
just let it go instead of constantly reacting to people like a child. If you are as confident as you proclaim you don’t need to respond to us lowly luddites
***asked & answered... maybe, instead of acting like a child yourself, you simply address the science behind the claims? Or are you too childish to stoop to that level?
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that you believe don’t match your brilliance.
***I regularly run into skeptopaths who claim much higher level of education, even in the hard sciences, than I have. I know they match my “brilliance”, they’re just too lazy to examine the science behind the claims. Like you are.
Don’t bother responding because I won’t and
***What is the point of your post? Does it mean we will have to wait for some other skeptic who will actually examine the science behind the claims? It would appear so.
golly I thought I was actually pretty kind and and supportive of you,
***Ditto and likewise
but there you went again sliding down the emotional scale.
***You’re starting to sound shrill. Maybe if you spent a few boring nights actually examining the scientific evidence that you so much disdain, you’d have a fresh perspective.
Kevmo: I see your point about being a keeper of a list of devotees and so I offer my apology for my posting on your thread and I promise therefore on my honor I will never darken one of your LENR threads again.
***You miss the point entirely. You’ve been directly asked to examine the science behind the claims.
But until such time that I flip my light switch and there is light provide by LENR I will remain a skepic , as to me that will be the ‘proof of the pudding’.
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this is a better response
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Hey Kevmo, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH! Get some maturity
***I suppose the above is an example of a mature response?
What’s the matter no one else to play with? remember that part where I said you just can’t let it go? look in the mirror, it’s you. Night night I don’t play with broken toys.
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