Posted on 12/07/2013 8:18:35 PM PST by Kartographer
As I heard Paul’s story, it became obvious to me that while we often have a laser focus on preparing to survive the impending collapse, his community had gone farther and made preparations for survival after the collapse. In other words: yes, he had to have practical necessities and skills to make it through whatever came his way – but what then? After the world as he knew it ended, was his community prepared to help create a new one?
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Nor did I intend to paint the US government as eternal bad guys. Governments are made of and represent people. As such they are capable of the highest and noblest of human endeavors and achievements, and sadly, the basest as well. The current trajectory isn’t towards high nobility.
I don’t know where you got the impression I said anything about the WWII Japanese? Perhaps mushed together with the total content of the replies on this thread?
That abiding toughness of the American spirit is what gives me hope today.
For some reason I’m not easily finding the book listed on Amazon under several search configurations. Would you be willing please to provide a link? Thanks!
I used the author’s name, Dale van Every, and Amazon came back with a suggested result “Dale van Every in Books”; clicking that gave links to the various used bookstores that Amazon reps. BTW, there are four books in the series - I’ve put all four on order this afternoon.
Link for the books: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_8?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=dale%20van%20every&sprefix=dale+van%2Caps%2C233
That abiding toughness of the American spirit is what gives me hope today.
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Me too. You have captured the essence of what I was trying to say in one concise sentence.
The Japanese reference was intended for that other guy Alexandar Something or other, I just neglected to add him to the list. Apologies to you.
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So as a Cherokee descendant several ways, RegulatorCountry, do you consider yourself an American, US citizen, or a member of the Cherokee Nation? The way I define it you are all 3.
I used the term American to represent people who live or have lived in the Americas. The Indians were Americans before our Founders even thought about coming to the Americas; I specifically did not use the term citizen. It's my understanding that current members of the Indian Nations are also citizens of the USA are they not?
The whole point was that we currently have lots of people in our country that have endured various hardships and survived huge changes that ended the world as they knew it. That we come from strong peoples of all sorts.
If you don't feel that way about your ancestors, that's your prerogative.
Thank you so much!
I’m not a “member” of the Cherokee Nation as that is in Oklahoma, being the larger group removed. I am not a “member” of the Eastern Cherokee either, as everybody to whom I am related that was identified in the early twentieth century Guion-Miller Roll indian census was denied due to having lived apart from the tribe and intermarrying among whites for over a century.
They were all US Citizens, in other words. They may have been Cherokee in part or in full but weren’t “indians not taxed.” I’m descended from nothing but US Citizens all the way back to the original US Citizens. Indian tribes did not become citizens collectively until the advent of the 14th Amendment and are still set apart, those not living apart from the tribe at least, as in the case of what ancestry I have.
My interest in commenting here centers upon historical accuracy. I detest mushy feel-good abstractions, especially pertaining to citizenship, for reasons that should be obvious. Take, for instance, our President.
My interest in commenting here centers upon historical accuracy. I detest mushy feel-good abstractions, especially pertaining to citizenship, for reasons that should be obvious. Take, for instance, our President.
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My statement was historically accurate, as I explained.
I personally know card carrying members of the Indian Nation’s various tribes that were born citizens and have the birth certificates to prove it. Me - I’m just one of those laggard citizens of European Descent who arrived over one hundred years ago.
None of which matters one twit to what I was saying:
That the toughness of our ancestors(whatever label)will inspire and help us survive whatever hardships may come in our time.
No need to respond since you have made it apparent that your desire is to kill any “feel good” faith or hope, and it’s getting really tedious. You have a wonderful time now. Adios.
Your reading comprehension is not good and your understanding of citizenship is worse, let alone any presumed psychic abilities in reading my emotion and intent.
You’re not blonde by any chance, are you? Stay classy, lol.
PLEASE! </Rodney Dangerfield>
Compared to you, I am Einstein.
Here is what you wrote: Cherokee were not US citizens, they were removed from their territories in violation, repeated violation, of treaties. It was inhumane and very wrong, being done due to disvovery of gold in north Georgia. But, to say that they were “Americans” is incorrect. They weren’t, they were indians not taxed, with their own laws and form of governance. Still are. *****************************************************.
I'll just ignore the spelling mistakes, and assume they are typos - it happens to us all sometimes.
The definition of American includes "a native or inhabitant of North or South America" as well as "of the United States or its inhabitants". That's from the Random House Dictionary.
While citizens of the US are indeed Americans, not all Americans are citizens. That is why I used the term American to describe the Indians.
You on the other hand jumped all over that by claiming that it was historically inaccurate, because those Indians were not tax paying citizens. Well, the word American was not incorrect - perhaps your comprehensive could be improved by reading the dictionary.
As to citizenship, I didn't say they they were citizens back then, hence the term Americans. Here's the last of your statement:
But, to say that they were “Americans” is incorrect. They weren’t, they were indians not taxed, with their own laws and form of governance. Still are. ********************************************
They were Americans. They were Indians not taxed and some Indians taxed came along as did the missionaries, and soldiers. Americans all by virtue of geography. Today their descendants are also citizens. Many are even taxpaying citizens, so the "still are" is not exactly accurate either. Those who traveled that trail aren't still here - they are dead.
If you did not intend to spread gloom and doom, then you failed in whatever you intended. You certainly were not accurate in your proposition that Indians weren't Americans. If you intended to spread doom and gloom, and inaccuracies - congratulations you succeeded.
I'll stay classy, you on the other hand might need to brush up a bit on that, along with your reading comprehension skills.
Oh one more thing. I am of Irish descent - not a blonde - just one more inaccuracy. You have a great day.
Been real nice conversing with you. If you continue to respond, I'm going to suspect that you are a Federal Regulator, or at least that you should be.LOL
I can attest to one thing, you’re certainly more tedious than you believe me to be, lol.
Drop it. Don’t go away mad, just go away.
How’s that? Deal?
LOL. I’ll quit if you quit. I can be just as tenacious as the next guy and after all, tedious isn’t a hardship. I wasn’t mad which is why I even responded. Just couldn’t resist it when you threw down the gauntlet. LOL
I am 1/16 Choctaw as an ancestor on my father's side married a full blooded Choctaw female when that tribe stopped in Arkansas during their trail of tears to Oklahoma. I had relatives from that union who later lived in Shawnee, Oklahoma. Those Choctaw Indians were all Americans because they lived in America.
I am a descendant of the Choctaws and English and I'm an American citizen from the moment I was born. All on my mother's side were English and I am a blond American citizen.
In America's early days life was difficult and we don't know how we would have reacted and will never know since all our experiences and knowledge we have now would have to be stripped away to make us equal to that time. Let's be thankful that history turned the country into a United States with liberty and freedom.
That liberty and freedom is at stake now. It is what we know today that will decide how we act to bring back that freedom and liberty we once had. When do we reach the moment in present time as our forefather's reached in their time when their only choice left was to revolt. In their time it was revolution against England and in our time it's revolution to remove an imperialistic/dictator Muslim from the White House. I believe with all my heart he is a Muslim with their goals as his own. He was raised Muslim and I think he will always be one. Should Muslims be mistreated, he said in his book, Audacity of Hope, page 261, “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Impeachment may happen in the future.
What's that old Reagan quote about knowing so much that isn't true, lol?
By your slippery definition, Mexicans are Americans, Canadians are Americans, heck let's just throw in Central and South America, too! They're Americans according to your slippery definition.
So, being that you're 1/16 Choctaw in a known and provable line of descent you've been accepted into the tribe, or your family never was outside of it, yes?
“So, being that you’re 1/16 Choctaw in a known and provable line of descent you’ve been accepted into the tribe, or your family never was outside of it, yes?”
My family moved to Texas before I was born. My brother was born in Oklahoma before they moved from Shawnee. There was no communication that I ever knew of but I was born in their later life as my mother was in her 40s when I was born. When I was in my thirties and brother in his forties, he went to Oklahoma and visited a relative who had pictures of the adult son (tin type picture) born to the ancestor and the Choctaw woman. I have a number of tin type pictures of the family made in olden days.
Thanks for the link!
While I agree modern women would take up arms to defend themselves and their own, I seriously doubt they would take up arms for much else, let alone an abstract concept such as freedom.
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