Posted on 12/07/2013 8:18:35 PM PST by Kartographer
As I heard Paul’s story, it became obvious to me that while we often have a laser focus on preparing to survive the impending collapse, his community had gone farther and made preparations for survival after the collapse. In other words: yes, he had to have practical necessities and skills to make it through whatever came his way – but what then? After the world as he knew it ended, was his community prepared to help create a new one?
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One of the things about Limbaugh that drives me nuts (admittedly a pretty long list; when I mostly stopped listening in the W administration I thought it would be tough, but every now and then I tune in again and realize that it was not) is when someone called with a fairly sensible observation/conclusion about the dire state of the nation (”Hello, Karen from Whitefish, Montana”), and Limbaugh launches into a “It’s not all over, be optimistic, why don’t you just kill yourself...” blather. He invariably cites the Founding Fathers as proof of his point. What he fails to realize, or at least chooses not to observe, the Founding Fathers made an anguished, self-conscious decision to kill their fellow British subjects in order that the colonists might become citizens.
If that isn’t “It’s all over,” I do not know how to define the term.
I note that they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. I wonder how close we are to that point again?
Yes. The list of crap our ancestors endured is endless. I don’t fault greeneyes for ending it where she did, nor you for wanting to extend it.
Any top ten list will have the same give-and-take!
But as you noted, the Trail of Tears was indeed under the aegis of the US government, and as such is a particularly on-point example to keep in mind for future problems.
History repeats.
In my experience, few things bring instant calm to a chaotic situation quite as effectively as the sound of a 12 gauge racking.
Laz, you will never be a little less screwed...
Precisely.
That didn't stop the full weight of the US government from trying to exterminate them.
No tanks, no up-armored MRAPS, no drones, no pervasive NSA monitoring, no machine-guns, no teargas, no Hellfire missiles.
How will we fare when the Great (half)White Father in Washington decides to wash his hands of us?
And our children? Nits still make lice, last I checked.
I have Cherokee descent several ways, seven collateral ancestors on the Guion-Miller roll, a census of the Eastern Cherokee. My mother’s family were Moravian, a church that worked very closely with the Cherokee, placing missions in Cherokee territory in most of the various tribal towns, sending pastors along for physical and spiritual support when church opposition to removal failed. I know a little about the Trail Of Tears as a result. Cherokee were not US citizens, they were removed from their territories in violation, repeated violation, of treaties. It was inhumane and very wrong, being done due to disvovery of gold in north Georgia. But, to say that they were “Americans” is incorrect. They weren’t, they were indians not taxed, with their own laws and form of governance. Still are.
Not as big a point as you’d like to think.
They trusted the US government to honor its treaties.
We trust the US government to honor the Constitution.
What was it Otter told Flounder again?
Imagine if you can a riot involving millions of half starved and diseased people, spread over hundreds of miles. This is the fate of Amerika under democrip rule rushing US toward collapse.
... Spread over hundreds of circumferential miles around our large cities, where daily food is trucked in and water is controlled by central authorities.
So what you are trying to say, is....
.... I am so screwed.
Not to put too fine a point on it, yes.
My “point” is historical accuracy rather than murky we’re-all-Americans mush. Trust is not a word I’d apply to them either. They were outnumbered and outgunned, simple as that. Their treatment played a role in Cherokee support of the Confederacy, or should I say support of some Cherokee, it was highly controversial among them just as it was among whites. The last Confederate general standing in the field of war, Stand Watie, was Cherokee, baptized Moravian.
Point taken.
“Spread over hundreds of circumferential miles around our large cities, where daily food is trucked in and water is controlled by central authorities”
That is why I have my own source of water and stored food and learned to grow food. We, the citizens, paid for an underground sanctuary for Hussein and his family down to a surgical suite with a surgeon who would be there. We are as important as that POS is, so I used my money to make a sanctuary for myself. I won’t have a surgeon but I was an EMT and can do some medical procedures for myself.
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence ?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.
Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army;
another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes,
and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.
Eleven were merchants,
nine were farmers and large plantation owners;
men of means, well educated,
but they signed the Declaration of Independence
knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy.
He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly.
He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding.
His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer,
Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
At the battle of Yorktown , Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that
the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters.
He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire.
The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed.
The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying.
Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste.
For more than a year he lived in forests and caves,
returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.
So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots.
It's not much to ask for the price they paid.
Remember: freedom is never free!
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
I wonder that too !
All that heartache and misery to set up a 'revolution' of just 13 colonies.
Don't forget that it was just a small group of people who were fed up with British State Imperialism.
And those who initiated the revolution were in the vast minority when it all began .
I recall reading here that only 13 % of the population was involved as combatants in the revolutionary war,
.. and they still had to deal with "Loyalists" (nay-sayers ) on the homefront who opposed the revolution.
But as you noted, the Trail of Tears was indeed under the aegis of the US government, and as such is a particularly on-point example to keep in mind for future problems.
History repeats.
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Yes, history repeats. My list was a reference to Americans who have endured much and survived. As such, I wasn’t referring to the Government, but to the Individuals in our past.
Our government has done a lot of stuff past and present that isn’t great. It has also done some good things. My comment was not intended to slam or praise the government.
Whatever happens, for whatever reason, our ancestors endured hardships, and so shall we, then we shall see what we are made of.
Correct. I just love that sound. LOL
They didn’t treat the people of Appalachia so well either.
As I said, my point was totally focused on the hardships endured by many Americans in the past. It was never intended as praise, scorn, or any other commentary on the government.
Your focus on the government in your initial response was a total surprise, which is why I agreed that those Allied soldiers could also just as easily be on the list. The idea of honoring the Japenese in that march never even occurred to me.
The government action was totally beside my point. Hardship happens. It could be caused by government, or caused by mother nature, or some accident. The cause was not my focus.
The endurance of the individual Americans was.
“I recall reading here that only 13 % of the population was involved as combatants in the revolutionary war,
.. and they still had to deal with “Loyalists” (nay-sayers ) on the homefront who opposed the revolution.”
Exactly.
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