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Christmas Shopping Season - Will it become an 'unintended' casualty of Obamacare?
September 27, 2013 | Paul Phipps

Posted on 09/27/2013 11:39:41 AM PDT by The Working Man

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To: fatnotlazy
I've gotten to like Thanksgiving more and more...just good food...football...family....resting...

I used to go to Black Friday when the kids were small and if I wasn't working....little kids are easy to shop for.....

we seem to get a little "something" for everybody even though as adults, my family and extended family gave that up years ago....

21 posted on 09/27/2013 1:06:14 PM PDT by cherry
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To: The Working Man
We have spent 50% less each year for the last three years. We just don't have it to spend. I don't see it getting any better, and I have good job.

Daily/monthly expenses have gone up, the pay check has stayed the same. My 20year old cars need replaced but there is not enough left to save up for newer ones. I refuse to go into debt or take government "freebies" (that I don't qualify for, because I am paying for those who do).

22 posted on 09/27/2013 1:06:48 PM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!! (this post approved by the NSA))
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To: The Working Man
Obamacare could be the a tipping point. If and that is an if, large consumer durables that need loans, appliances, cars etc are delayed because of these cost I could see a back-slide for sure. Maybe the bigger ticket items and Christmas getting hit.
23 posted on 09/27/2013 1:11:54 PM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: The Working Man

Hiring will be at a much lower level than usual, then mainly for temporary jobs totaling less than 30 hours a week. With Zero benefits too! The 47% is about to reap what it has repeatedly sown per presidential elections.


24 posted on 09/27/2013 1:17:49 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: The Working Man
I've been thinking this for some time, along with a dive in consumer sentiment about the same time.

However, not all state exchange plans will have "huge projected increases in rates, copays and deductions".

For example, the "Silver" plan I am looking at has a "Deductible of $1,500/$3,000" and an "Annual Out-of-Pocket Limit of $6,350/$12,700". Prescription drugs are as low as $5 co-pay (mail order) with no deductible. Office visits are $20 copay but I think the deductible does apply to them.

I don't know what the federal exchange deductibles look like..

25 posted on 09/27/2013 1:23:54 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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Should also mention co-insurance is 20% (insurance pays 80% after deductible is satisfied).


26 posted on 09/27/2013 1:28:49 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: The Working Man

Christmas for me is a: water purifier, generator, food storage supplies, etc. I need to catch up quick. Looks like dark skies ahead for gun tote’n, bible believ’n folks like me. Never imagined I’d think about being a prepper.


27 posted on 09/27/2013 1:47:47 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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I just came from WalMart ,, their seasonal area is stuffed with summer merchandise ,, gas and charcoal grills ,,, garden implements ... they’ve got to blow that out before they can put out Halloween... I’m in a good area so I’d have to say they’re screwed.


28 posted on 09/27/2013 3:05:54 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: autumnraine

Probably buy a lot of second hand stuff for the kids.
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Donations to Goodwill are down in quantity and quality ,, their customer count is up and they’ve raised their prices.


29 posted on 09/27/2013 3:08:54 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: The Working Man
Will the Christmas Shopping Season be effected?

Yes, it probably will.

But even though the media acts as if retail sales -- particularly at Christmas -- are the foundation of the American economy, they're wrong.

Business investment drives the economy -- not consumer spending. And business has not been investing in growth since 2007 [oil-drilling a notable exception]. The general lack of business investment, though, is the cause of the current stagnation.

I suspect that, to everyone's relief, this year's Christmas sales will beat last year's. It will be meaningless. That will be an effect of the true costs of inflation running higher than what the government publishes.

It's production that matters -- not consumption. You can't consume till you produce. A lot of people ain't producing any more.

30 posted on 09/27/2013 3:50:51 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Yeah, I’ve noticed the prices. $10 for jeans, $5 for plain old shirts. Ridiculous really.


31 posted on 09/27/2013 4:19:35 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

You can get new clothes at Wal-Mart for those prices, low-end on sale but you can.


32 posted on 09/27/2013 4:20:39 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: The Working Man
Disposable income is already way down for day-to-day purchases. That's because of less work hours, teens not getting wages they mostly spend, and retirees not having interest on their savings to put into local economies. Obamacare insurance costs will take a lot of what's left out of the economy, since anyone who has enough income to afford it is not going to get a subsidy. Thus, the money that used to go into local restaurants and recreation, home repairs etc will dry up. Local businesses will be impacted the most. When they start closing like they did during the recession, local governments won't be able to pay their bills.

But the dudes running the insurance companies, providing computer services, etc? They'll reach even greater heights of prosperity and domination.

33 posted on 09/27/2013 4:29:51 PM PDT by grania
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