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Craigslist: Essay by a Teacher in a Black School
Saint Louis Craigslist (Rants & Raves) ^ | June 28, 2013 | Unknown

Posted on 07/01/2013 3:45:59 AM PDT by MCF

Edited on 07/02/2013 5:15:38 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

The truth is usually a tough thing to accept, so I understand if this is flagged. It would be a cowardly thing to do, but I understand it. Some people just ignore unpleasant truths. However, if you think ignoring the problem, or trying to censor the truth, will help our black children improve, you're dreaming. This is important, so I'm happy to repost - indefinitely if necessary. I find it interesting that NO ONE has had the intellect to refute anything in the essay. They can only attempt to censor it, as if doing so somehow makes it invalid. Weak minds, weak minds.


(Excerpt) Read more at stlouis.craigslist.org ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: blackculture; deathofthewest; liberalism; obamaworld; race
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To: wrencher

What Ole Abe wanted to do(had he lived) was to ship ALL of the Freed Slaves back to Africa. Ols Abe wasn’t NEAR the “friend” of slaves as Revisionist Historians have painted him out to be.


101 posted on 07/01/2013 9:27:45 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: aberaussie
I really hate to take your bait, but I have to ask you a question. If for some reason your child was zoned for a school like this and you could not move into a better district for whatever reason, would you consider homeschooling an option? Just curious....

I intentionally moved out of an urban district so that I would not have to worry about teaching in an environment like this.

Let me ask the same question I asked another thread member. Do the parents bear any responsibility to teach civility and decorum?

102 posted on 07/01/2013 9:28:39 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: MCF

BUMP FOR LATER


103 posted on 07/01/2013 9:30:22 AM PDT by semaj
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To: Blueflag

That was a great post. Thank you.


104 posted on 07/01/2013 9:37:02 AM PDT by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: grania
What's the answer? Assimilation and job-market expectations.

Assimilation only works where there is a majority white school system and the blacks have to fit into the white norms. How many blacks do you need for them to gang up and start acting the way they do in this essay? Probably not too many.

There is also a moral question: even a small number of blacks in a school who are there to "assimiliate" are there to take (socialization) from whites, and presumably slowing down the rate that whites would learn at if they weren't paying a "tax" in accomodating blacks.

Is it really moral to give some kids a lesser education so that others (the less teachable) get a better one? The black kids are getting extra resources, the whites extra burdens. At some point this becomes manifestly unfair.

105 posted on 07/01/2013 9:37:52 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black
Isn't the black population of the US approximately 15%? Clssrooms can contain that many black students with no decline in standards. The problem happens when educators make allowance for bad behavior and poor accomplishment.

I've encountered EXCELLENT all-black classrooms and programs. Again, the problems start emerging when the students aren't held to the strictest standards of behavior and accomplishment, no excuses, no warnings, no second chances.

106 posted on 07/01/2013 9:42:29 AM PDT by grania
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It sounds a lot like prison.”

Zoo-prison-circus was how my son described his high school before I transferred him to an online program.


107 posted on 07/01/2013 9:43:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Our parents: The Greatest Generation. Their kids and grand kids: The Stupidest.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It sounds a lot like prison.

Many schools in the Los Angeles area look like prisons.

108 posted on 07/01/2013 9:43:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wrencher; SpinnerWebb
Yep, 25, and they’d been agitating for a good part of it.

The boomers have coasted on the affluence won by the greatest generation, they are presiding over the decline.

Ah, the all inclusive "they" again. Like I said in my first response, moronic, stereotypical tripe (I added "moronic" for your benefit).

If by coasted on the affluence won by the greatest generation you mean got drafted, served my country honorably and after my discharge from the Army came home and got up every morning for over 40 years to go to the same job while my wife and I raised 3 kids .... then, yeah, I coasted.

I don't have any more time to waste on whiney assclowns like you who think that boomers are responsible for all of the shortcomings in their own miserable lives.

Granted, every generation has its share of idiots, mine included. If the best you've got is to bitch and moan about how "we" screwed you ... count yourself in the idiot class of whatever your generation is.

Me ... because my parents taught me the value of perseverance and I took it to heart ... I'll be leaving behind 3 more responsible adults who are doing just fine in the "miserable" world I left to them ... what value have you added?

109 posted on 07/01/2013 10:04:31 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: MCF

thanks for posting this. Years ago a parent on one of my childrens soccer team would tell me stories about how burnt out she was from trying to teach in Washington DC. This woman was black and very middle class... I was still a liberal and couldn’t understand why she was so negative about these children. I definitely judged her, and thought how sad she was pouring all this negativity on these poor forsaken kids... her stories mirrored this one on Craigs list.


110 posted on 07/01/2013 10:20:50 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I spent 20 years with these kids and their parents while working in different prisons. The 15 year old black kid is no different then the 25 year old black man. They don't care about anything but their shoes, music, rims and ho’s. Ignorance, rudeness, laziness and lawlessness are celebrated as virtues. It's a self destructive culture that won't change until it is forced to. Treating them like children doesn't work.
111 posted on 07/01/2013 10:20:54 AM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I agree with you, but people shriek in horror when I say it. I don’t think it will ever happen.

Used to be in England, (maybe it still is this way,) you could leave school legally at age 14-1/2 if you had an apprenticeship. To me that makes sense. Bring back apprenticeships and trade schools. Not everybody’s meant to take up space in a classroom until age 17 or 18, keeping others from learning.


112 posted on 07/01/2013 10:36:31 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: MCF

bfl. Interesting perspective. From a quick glance (will read later when I have time), the question comes to mind, “why don’t you go teach somewhere else that is not such a beat-down?”


113 posted on 07/01/2013 10:40:12 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: verga

Indeed, it’s almost 100% on the parents and their culture.
And I don’t want MY kids around THEIR kids unless they train them right, and they won’t and can’t.


114 posted on 07/01/2013 11:21:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
Indeed, it’s almost 100% on the parents and their culture. And I don’t want MY kids around THEIR kids unless they train them right, and they won’t and can’t.

So then why are you blaming the schools for this poor behavior when you say: We already know that public schools are detrimental to the health, morals, and liberty of humanity,?

How can the schools be expected to do the job of the parents and at the same time provide a quality education?

Please keep in mind I have my students for 90 minutes a day 5 days a week in an average size class of 15 students. Parents have them (not counting sleeping time) 5-6 hours a day 7 days a week.

Who has a better chance and more opportunity to teach them civility and decorum?

I will tell you straight out that having met some (not all) the answer would be me, but that does not abrogate them of the responsibility.

115 posted on 07/01/2013 11:52:49 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga
I intentionally moved out of an urban district so that I would not have to worry about teaching in an environment like this.

Let me ask the same question I asked another thread member. Do the parents bear any responsibility to teach civility and decorum?

Well, you did not answer my question, but I will answer yours. Yes, the parents bear the majority of the responsibility of making sure their children are ready for school, including teaching them civility and decorum. The breakdown is the culture, which they bring with them to school, and which the authorities apparently want all children exposed to by making sure our schools are "diverse."

I tutor and substitute in the public schools in FL. It affirms our decision to homeschool every day. I would still like to know the answer to my original question: If you were in a school district like the one described in the article, and for whatever reason had to stay there - you could not move to a better district, would you homeschool your child to get him or her out of that environment?

116 posted on 07/01/2013 11:53:27 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: aberaussie

I grew up in NYC in the 60’s. One day it was white, the nex day it wasn’t. It was highly charged where I grew up. A close friend of mine was in the school yard talking with a black girl, a minute later he was covered in blood from the pen her friend shoved in his ear.

For about three years it got progressively worse. Then the Russians moved into the area and all of a sudden there were no more blacks or Puerto Ricans..


117 posted on 07/01/2013 11:59:18 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: verga

We’re talking past each other - I’m not expecting the schools to do the parents’ job. Got it? I never said such a thing that you keep saying I’m saying.

What I do know is that the parents aren’t and won’t do the job, and I’m not putting MY kids with THOSE kids.

Public schools are where the parents who don’t care send their untrained children.


118 posted on 07/01/2013 12:00:37 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: aberaussie
If you were in a school district like the one described in the article, and for whatever reason had to stay there - you could not move to a better district, would you homeschool your child to get him or her out of that environment?

I am sorry your question is a complete non sequitor. Any parent that says they can't move out of a bad district isn't trying. A good parent will do what ever it takes, if that means homeschooling until you can move to a better district, or enrolling them in a parochial/ Christian school then that is what you do.

Several years ago my wife and I were in the process of adopting three siblings. We lived in a rural district with a very good system, but we were considering homeschooling because the principal of the high school was a complete A-Hole.

119 posted on 07/01/2013 12:08:16 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: MrB
Public schools are where the parents who don’t care send their untrained children.

Are you saying lousy parents that just don't give a d@mn about the kids, or are you including parents that circumstances prevent them from homeschooling or affording a private school?

120 posted on 07/01/2013 12:12:55 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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