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My Apology to Mormon Readers
townhall.com ^ | 6-5-2013 | Mike Adams

Posted on 06/05/2013 2:21:55 AM PDT by servo1969

Dear Stacey:

You have written demanding an apology for my recent characterization of the Mormon religion as "non-Christian." I am happy to write a public letter of apology to you and to the countless Mormon readers who responded negatively to my characterization.

I am sorry that so many of my Mormon readers have brazenly accused me of ignorance of their religion and suggested that I read the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that they were unaware that I read the Book of Mormon back in 2006.

I am sorry that the science of genetics has refuted claims made in the Book of Mormon concerning the relationship between Native Americans and Semitic people. These refutations undermine the entire historical premise of the Book of Mormon.

I am also sorry that while archeological discovery supports the claims of the Bible it clearly does not support the claims of the Book of Mormon. Battles that were supposed to have occurred in specific locations in North America simply never took place. The archeological evidence just isn't there.

I am sorry about the plagiarism of the Holy Bible that runs through the Book of Mormon. I am sorry that Mormons cannot see that Joseph Smith's refusal to reveal the golden tablets is strong evidence of their nonexistence. The heavy plagiarism in the Book of Mormon puts the lie to the rest of the story of Smith, the former seeker of the lost treasures of Captain Kidd.

I am sorry that my Mormon readers have put all their eggs in one basket by constantly writing to me quoting Matthew 7:16. So I am sorry that I must now apply that verse to the very first Mormon.

I am sorry that among the 33 well-documented plural wives of Joseph Smith, there were close to a dozen unions in which the wife was already married to another man.

I am sorry that in his lifetime, Joseph Smith married four different pairs of sisters. I am sorry that Joseph Smith married a young woman and also married her mother.

I am sorry that some of Joseph Smith's marriages were the result of religious coercion secured only after he told the prospective bride that marrying him would ensure the bride’s place in heaven. I am sorry that Smith also coerced teenagers into marrying him by promising their families a place in heaven.

I am sorry that Joseph Smith kept fourteen-year-old Helen Mar Kimball from marrying her sweetheart Horace Whitney because he wanted to marry the teenager instead. I am sorry that Joseph Smith also asked Helen’s father Heber C. Kimball to give him his wife.

I am sorry that before he eventually married Helen, Joseph Smith gave her a 24-hour deadline to give in to his offer of a place in heaven. I am sorry that two years after the death of Joseph Smith, Helen married her old sweetheart Horace Whitney. I am sorry that the marriage between Helen and Horace was only temporary because Helen was already "sealed" by marriage to Joseph Smith for eternity. I am sorry that Horace Whitney was "sealed" to an already dead Mormon woman before his “temporary” marriage to Helen.

I am sorry that after her mother died, Joseph Smith approached teenager Lucy Walker with a command that she marry Smith with the threat of eternal damnation as the punishment if she refused. I am sorry that the year before Joseph Smith died, he said the following to Lucy: “I will give you until tomorrow to decide (whether to marry me). If you reject this message the gate will be closed forever against you.”

I am sorry that the Book of Mormon, which Joseph Smith claims to have transcribed from the golden plates given to him by the Angel Moroni, says the following: “Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, Saith the Lord.” (Jacob 2:24).

I am sorry that Joseph Smith said the following shortly before his death: "(W)hen I get my kingdom, I shall present it to my father, so that he may obtain kingdom among kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself.”

I am sorry that Smith’s polytheism is not consistent with John 14:6. I am also sorry that since these are the words of Christ, polytheism cannot be Christian. Moreover, I am sorry, my Mormon friends, but the the words of Christ trump the words of Joseph Smith who will never be God.

I am sorry that Mormonism teaches that Christ was not there in the beginning, that god was just a man who became God by following a moral code he did not create, and that we may all become gods by following the same moral code that predates the existence of Jesus. I am sorry that the theological mess caused by Joseph Smith is irreconcilable with the teachings of the Holy Bible.

Finally, I am sorry that my Mormon readers have unfairly accused me of criticizing Mormonism without doing my homework. But I am glad I did. Now I understand the significance of Galatians 1:6-9.


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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Let me put it this way: There is no way Jesus can be G-d in the flesh because it is a complete contradiction of G-d’s Word in the Torah. More importantly there is no mention of the trinity in the Hebrew Scriptures.

The trinity is pagan in origin and so is Christianity.


121 posted on 07/06/2013 5:49:31 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

“Let me put it this way: There is no way Jesus can be G-d in the flesh because it is a complete contradiction of G-d’s Word in the Torah. More importantly there is no mention of the trinity in the Hebrew Scriptures.

The trinity is pagan in origin and so is Christianity.”


Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa_48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.


122 posted on 07/06/2013 5:57:56 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Sherman Logan
This statement is of course absolutely true.

You do realize, don't you, the difference between Christians and those who call themselves Christians?

Therefore, it is patently false.

123 posted on 07/06/2013 6:29:59 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The Christian bible is a complete contradiction of the Torah and is pagan in origin. The notion of a man-god being born to a virgin is pagan and so is the resurrection. The trinity is completely pagan as well.

A man cannot be fully God and fully man because it is impossible for God to become human especially since He made it clear that He has NO HUMAN FORM.


124 posted on 07/06/2013 6:38:47 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

“The Christian bible”


I quoted the Old Testament. But, you’re right, the Old Testament does belong to Christians too.


125 posted on 07/06/2013 6:42:10 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You did quote the Old Testament. The CHRISTIAN Old Testament. It IS NOT the version Jews and Noahides adhere to.


126 posted on 07/06/2013 6:44:12 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

“You did quote the Old Testament. The CHRISTIAN Old Testament. It IS NOT the version Jews and Noahides adhere to.”


Actually, it is the same version, unless the Noahides and Jews have taken to rewriting the Holy Scripture lately.


127 posted on 07/06/2013 6:47:05 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Rome2000
Maybe not your posts, but other posts on this thread certainly could be considered Mormon bashing

Indeed!!

And offended MORMONs will point them out and whine.

Too bad they try to blur the distinction between Mormon bashing amd MormonISM exposing.

It ususally doesn't get very far...

128 posted on 07/06/2013 6:51:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
It is also blasphemous to say a human being can be God when God Himself made it abundantly clear that He is not a man,that He has no human form and that he will not change His mind.

HE did?

When?

Where??

129 posted on 07/06/2013 6:52:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

(This very thread has resurrected from being dead for, not 3 days, but 3 WEEKS!)


130 posted on 07/06/2013 6:53:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: IronJack; greyfoxx39; All
Note the emphasis. No one is MAKING these "folks" believe Mormonism any more than they're MAKING them believe Christianity. The missionaries are offering them a story -- the Mormon story -- and God has given them free will to decide if they'll believe it or not. My advice is for us to do the same.

Note the emphasis. No one is MAKING these "folks" DISbelieve Mormonism any more than others are MAKING them believe Mormonism. We here -- as online missionaries --are offering them the Good News of Jesus Christ -- the Christ story -- and God has given them free will to continue to reject it as long as they continue to DISbelieve the true Gospel. My advice is for you to do the same in commenting about our posts.

131 posted on 07/06/2013 7:03:10 PM PDT by Colofornian (West went South)
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To: IronJack
God knows His own.

GOD knows those that REFUSE to speak out against false teachings as well.

132 posted on 07/06/2013 7:09:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: IronJack
My advice is for us to do the same.

Then tell your story.


 
Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
 
Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 
 
 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



133 posted on 07/06/2013 7:11:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
"Let me put it this way: There is no way Jesus can be G-d in the flesh because it is a complete contradiction of G-d’s Word in the Torah."

I don't see a contradiction. Clearly you do.

"More importantly there is no mention of the trinity in the Hebrew Scriptures."

Their are hints. There is no reason to think that any Scriptures tell us everything about the nature of God. We know only what He reveals.

"The trinity is pagan in origin and so is Christianity."

Thanks for your opinion. May you be here on earth when He returns in the clouds and then understand, as all will.

Zechariah 12:10-12

"And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; …

Revelation 1:7

"Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.


134 posted on 07/06/2013 7:12:55 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
The Christian bible is a complete contradiction of the Torah and is pagan in origin.

Then JEWs have no Savior: right?

135 posted on 07/06/2013 7:13:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe; ladyL
In the sense that all of Gods creations are brothers and sisters, yes .... if you care to bark up that tree, I guess that you could make the acertion that Jesus Christ and Satan are spiritual brothers.

No, not all can be called the *children of God*.

John 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Becoming God's child is only through receiving Him.

136 posted on 07/06/2013 7:13:38 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Elsie

Whoop-di-doo.


137 posted on 07/06/2013 7:14:12 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
It IS NOT the version Jews and Noahides adhere to.

Oh?

And just what DO they cling to?

Are any of them actually able to perform the NEEDED requirements found there?

138 posted on 07/06/2013 7:15:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

John 19:34

"But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they broke not his legs: 34But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and immediately came there out blood and water. 35And he that saw it bore record, and his record is true: and he knows that he said true, that you might believe. …"


139 posted on 07/06/2013 7:15:53 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: Elsie

Pretty much everywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures.

What about that is not understood?


140 posted on 07/06/2013 7:16:26 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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