Boy Scouts Remain Adamant About 'Duty To God'

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[Morgana]

The Boy Scouts of America will likely continue banning atheists and other non-believers from their troops, even though it now accepts openly gay members among its ranks.

"I don't see that happening, at least not in the immediate future," said Neil Polzin, an Eagle Scout fired from his job in 2009 as a Boy Scout camp aquatics director, after he admitted he is an atheist.

"The focus has always been on the Scouts' discrimination against gays and it seems atheists were always on a back burner or not discussed at all," Polzin told The Christian Century.

Since May 23, when the Scouts voted to allow gay members – but not troop leaders – among their ranks, major organizations for nonbelievers have condemned their continuing exclusion from the organization.

Part of the Scouting oath is to "do my duty to God and my country," which many atheists prefer be changed to "good and my country," a request the BSA has refused.

In addition, some atheist children have been asked to leave troops after it was revealed they did not believe in God. There have been lawsuits filed, but the Supreme Court has ruled that the Boy Scouts is a private organization that can make its own membership rules.

[laplata]

We agree.

[Utah Binger]

Operative word is IT...LOL

[Elsie]

Sorry to hear you had that liberal view in your church.

Oh; not to worry; for it was exposed for what it is: Satanic.

The fuzzy, all-loving all-forgiving god that will say, "I was just kidding about all them DON'Ts and that wrath stuff." is NOT the GOD of the bible.

[Elsie]

I feel a relationship with God doesn’t require indoctrination of a church.

True; but don't give up meeting with others.

We actually DO strengthen each other.

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"What MUST we do..."

John 6:28-29

[Elsie]

What time is it?

Do the cops no longer enforce THIS sign??

[Elsie]

Yeah...

...them; too!

[Elsie]

[CodeToad]

Lewis Black, a sort of liberal comedian, had a funny, yet truthful, bit about God of the Old Testament and that he wasn’t this fuzzy liberal God but one that would hold firm.

[laplata]

You’re sounding more & more pro-homo. And it’s not just me saying that. Is that what got you banned last time, retread?? Trolling for homos??

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Yeah, I’m a troll and you are Pathetic.

[laplata]

Hey all, joined practically last month. Troll. There are some REAL boy scouts here.

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Yeah, I’m a troll. and you’re Pathetic.

[Utah Binger]

I was forced to go watch Mad Men at 8:00 pm. Sleep happened.

[servo1969]

[Elsie]

Watch Hibbert tonight to see if his homo remark slapdown will affect his play any...

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Is THIS worth $75,000???

"There was Game 3 here that I felt I let Paul (George) down in terms of having his back when LeBron was scoring in the post or getting into the paint because they stretched me out so much - no homo (laughs) - but I want to be there for him."

[SaraJohnson]

Call 1-800-butt-boy and our team of lawyers will be glad to help” Really though I quite agree.

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Accurate phone number suggestion.

[Tennessee Nana]

There The LDS Church will be, strong and safe and “morally straight” to guide boys down the STRAIGHT and narrow path.
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So whose helping who in this “new” endeavour ???

The Mormons helping the homosexuals corrupt err “guide” the boys

or the homosexuals helping the Mormons ???

[Tennessee Nana]

today I attended an Eagle Court of Honor and my love and respect for BSA and LDS has been restored.
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Im sure it was dearie...

But while this article is about the boys scouts and not about Mormonism, the Mormons are to adhere always to “When the profit speaks the thinking has been done” and act like they have no brains..

But we others as Christians and as Americans we are free to think for ourselves...

Not so much the members of the theocratic-dictator run Mormon religion...

This travesty with the boys scouts and homosexuals is a big example of the winds of change blowing the rudderless Mormon religion whereever and whenever...

[Morgana]

Okay guys chill! Laplata is not a troll. Laplata just does not like it that the boys should lose a wonderful organization because of stupid adults and political correctness. It’s always the kids that are caught in the middle, and yes Laplata is correct on this matter. I am sure that when the bigwigs were making the decision to do this they thought nothing of the kids that would be harmed either by sex abuse by another boy, or by their parents pulling them out (or both). They did not care. They were imposing their will on this group and that is all that mattered. They made history, or so they thought now they just poked a hole in the Titanic and we are all watching it sink. Yes Lapalta is correct it is the boys who are harmed by this. The ones in it now and one that would have been in it for a century to come. Just damn.

[Elsie]

This travesty with the boys scouts and homosexuals is a big example of the winds of change blowing the rudderless Mormon religion whereever and whenever...

AnOTHER one??

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    OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

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President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

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EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.

(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

 

 

 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

 

(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)

 

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What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???

 

compared to...

 

 

 

 

Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 

 

or compared to...

 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

 

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So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!

 

Well; it DID last about 47 years!

 

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Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 

[laplata]

Thank you very much, Morgana. You express my feelings and the truth of the matter much better than I did. I commend you.

Our beloved United States is being torn down bit by bit and this is another example of that. I think it is beyond shameful and repugnant that the fine young men in BSA are being subjected to this.

[Elsie]

Laplata just does not like it that the boys should lose a wonderful organization because of stupid adults and political correctness.

Give it a few more years and the BSA, like the NBA, will 'assess' a LARGE fine to those who do NOT say the 'right' things about FAGGOTRY.