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Irony: Couple Cuffed For Engaging In Free Speech In Front Of Independence Hall
freedom outpost ^ | 5-31-13 | tim brown

Posted on 05/31/2013 5:44:08 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

A video that runs approximately 13:00 minutes records an ironic incident that took place on Saturday May 18 documents the incident of Mark and Barb, a couple who were engaged in handing out flyers and talking about ending the Federal Reserve system in the City of Brotherly Love, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. They were detained and hand-cuffed for passing out flyers and engaging in free speech.

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1 posted on 05/31/2013 5:44:08 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Ben Burnyankee is the one who should be in cuffs for
destroying the currency and main street economy.


2 posted on 05/31/2013 5:48:25 PM PDT by entropy12 (Even tho Obama is now a lame duck, with 2014 House majority, he will be a dangerously socialist!)
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To: entropy12

I’m sure their audit is on its way.


3 posted on 05/31/2013 5:50:46 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: entropy12

Yep. Him and every Fed chairman before him starting with Alan Greenspan, the man Ayn Rand once dubbed “the undertaker”.


4 posted on 05/31/2013 5:51:07 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: TurboZamboni
18 USC § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;

and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;

and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

5 posted on 05/31/2013 6:00:35 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Cops need to stick to their primary mission:

Raising revenue for the welfare state.


6 posted on 05/31/2013 6:02:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (MOHAMMED WAS A CHILD RAPIST!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Some animals have more free speech than others. Its more like Graduated speach now. The more in line with the Anti-Americans the more you can speak. But you Constitutionalist law abider, why speak at all. You are non-people, in line for the Purge anyway...


7 posted on 05/31/2013 6:12:25 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: TurboZamboni
From the Department of Justice Website: TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;

and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;

and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

8 posted on 05/31/2013 6:16:28 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: TurboZamboni; All
Thank you for referencing this story TurboZamboni. Please bear in mind that my critique below is directed to tim brown and not you.

Not only do we need to consider both sides of this issue, but beware of PC interpretations of the Constitution where our 1A protected rights are concerned.

More specifically, the Founding States had not intended for our 1A rights to be absolute. This is evidenced by the Founding States having decided that prohibitions of government power in the BoR did not apply to the states. In fact, consider the following excerpt from Thomas Jefferson's writings concerning "free" speech.

"3. Resolved that it is true as a general principle and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the constitution that ‘the powers not delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively or to the people’: and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, & were reserved, to the states or the people: that thus was manifested their determination to retain to themselves the right of judging how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged without lessening their useful freedom, and how far those abuses which cannot be separated from their use should be tolerated rather than the use be destroyed (emphasis added); …" --Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions, 1798.

Note that state power to regulate our constitutional rights is now limited by the 14th Amendment.

9 posted on 05/31/2013 6:25:05 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10
Hrm, particularly ironic considering your screen-name; but the 10th would indicate this rightly is a State issue (esp that the 1st Amendment applies only to congress, the 14th cannot be held to apply to state or local government w/o magically changing 'Congress' to mean any Legislative body) -- but the PA Constitution says, in Art 1, Sec 7:
Section 7. - Freedom of Press and Speech; Libels
The printing press shall be free to every person who may undertake to examine the proceedings of the Legislature or any branch of government, and no law shall ever by made to restrain the right thereof. The free communication of thoughts and opinions is one of the invaluable rights of man, and every citizen may freely speak, write and print on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty. No conviction shall be had in any prosecution for the publication of papers relating to the official conduct of officers or men in public capacity, or to any other matter proper for public investigation or information, where the fact that such publication was not maliciously or negligently made shall be established to the satisfaction of the jury; and in all indictments for libels the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.

10 posted on 05/31/2013 7:11:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Who is surprised? If there is no “balm in Gilead”, how could there be free speech in Philadelphia, PA?


11 posted on 05/31/2013 7:15:31 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: TurboZamboni

The Powers That Be will get increasingly unconstitutional, harsh, and brutal towards anyone who speaks of ending the Fed.

Controlling the Central Banks is at the core of their existence. It is their raison d’etre.


12 posted on 05/31/2013 7:29:49 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: OneWingedShark; All
Thanks for volunteering that excerpt from PA Constitution.

And speaking powers reserved to the states, or to the people, it would be interesting to see possible zoning restrictions or other restrictions for Independence Hall area.

As a side note concerning free speech not being absolute, consider that there is no free speech as the people in this example were practicing it in a court of law in session.

Getting back to example of this thread, I would also like to hear law enforcement arguments. Maybe law enforcement personnel, possibly constitutionally ignorant, just did what they were taught to do without asking questions.

13 posted on 05/31/2013 7:39:19 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Kid Shelleen

ping!


14 posted on 05/31/2013 7:53:50 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: TurboZamboni

They must think this is still America.


15 posted on 05/31/2013 9:08:29 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: P.O.E.

Philly Ping for another egregious constitutional violation. (See #10 for pertinent info.)


16 posted on 05/31/2013 9:18:41 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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Wow, that's not near as fast as when they arrested all those Occupy protesters. /S

It all depends on the coverage I suppose.

17 posted on 05/31/2013 9:34:26 PM PDT by MaxMax
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Why didn’t they apply for a permit? I mean, it’s a tourist destination. You don’t want to be on vacation and get accosted with people handing out flyers for pizza or something, so I can understand the rules.

Not a freedom of speech issue IMHO. They could’ve stood outside the park if they didn’t want to apply for a permit.


18 posted on 05/31/2013 10:30:23 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: frickin_frackin

Bookmark


19 posted on 05/31/2013 10:48:52 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: TurboZamboni

More bad publicity for America’s favorite craphole city.


20 posted on 06/01/2013 7:28:27 AM PDT by Amagi (Obama is never so animated as when he is assaulting the Constitution.)
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