Posted on 05/26/2013 10:46:26 AM PDT by DogByte6RER
1915: Anti-Smoking Sign, Zion, Illinois
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To YOU - not to everyone. Why is it so difficult for you to get that simple concept?
I did nothing to pass these laws, nor promote these laws, but I really appreciate them.
By your silence you allowed the infringement of the property rights of others. By your appreciation of such infringement you accept the idea the government knows best.
As a consequence, almost everybody who can possibly quit has, so you seldom encounter anyone who smokes any more.
You obviously live surrounded by people who are incapable of thinking for themselves and must be forced into conformance. I have never met a former smoker who had difficulty quitting when they decided it was time to do so. The ones who had problems are those who didn't want to but had this need to conform to the PC and they have become the newest generation of the anti-smoker brigade.
That is why the smelly man buying cigarettes in the pharmacy was so startling
I will repeat it again - he was smelly to YOU.
Are you a river in Egypt?
How much ya wanna bet they’re a former smoker!.... They’re usually the ones crying the loudest....but you’re right, hard to understand they don’t get that when Government bans peoples choices you’re banning all free choice.
"There is no freedom in addiction"...nice. It's depressing how easily people come up with rationalizations for the nanny state.
Your freedom to smoke doesn’t get to usurp my freedom to enjoy a nice meal. People with allergies are highly sensitive to smoke. No one wants to go to a bar and smell like an ash tray. It’s not the nanny state that attacked smoking. It’s everyone else. If you want to smell and significantly reduce your life span, have at it. Don’t expect me to allow you to smoke that crap around me. That’s not a nanny state. I’m sure most business owners would enact those no smoking regulations on their own. Bars that allow smoking nowadays are usually dives.
I am an unashamed blue-nosed moralist and I make no apologies to any "libertarian."
You can enjoy a nice meal any time you wish - if you don't care for smoking, eat where it is not permitted, but don't dictate whether I can permit it in my establishment or not. Your freedom to enjoy your meal doesn't get to usurp my freedom to choose how to cater to my clientele.
No one wants to go to a bar and smell like an ash tray.
No one? Seriously, you have spoken to everyone that has ever gone into a bar? I seriously doubt it.
It’s not the nanny state that attacked smoking. It’s everyone else.
If that wee true, and it isn't, there would never have been a need for such laws.
If you want to smell and significantly reduce your life span, have at it. Don’t expect me to allow you to smoke that crap around me. That’s not a nanny state.
Yes it is, because you are telling me how to run my business. No one has forced you to enter any establishment, nor are you held captive in one that has an atmosphere you don't like.
I’m sure most business owners would enact those no smoking regulations on their own.
Then why didn't they? No, if you look at news archives of various paces working on smoker bans you will find many owners stating they would like to be smoke-free, but since most of their customers were smokers they would lose business. When we were fighting the smoking ban in Delaware one of the most vocal restaurant/bar owner opponents to it was a guy that had gone smoke-free on his own. He didn't want the ban because he felt he would lose his niche of being the only smoke-free place in his town.
Bars that allow smoking nowadays are usually dives.
You don't get out much, do you?
I’m in my mid 20s. I used to go out all the time before I got a serious girlfriend. You know who went to the smoke den bars? Underage kids who couldn’t get into the popular bars. Is it a coincidence that all the popular bars are smoke free environments, and the hole in the walls smell like cancer? You don’t have have the freedom to create a nuisance. I could care less if you allowed smoking in your establishment. I guarantee young people wouldn’t walk thru that door.
Too bad I was never a smoker. I always envy the ability to take a break ay work every fifteen minutes.
My freedom to do as I want when I want....is not dependant on your ‘comfort’ level in a social invironment.
If you don’t want to be around smokers you have other choices...eat at home...go to places that are non-smoking. That IS your freedom and your choice.
Neither does someones “medical condition” determine what freedoms others have or not. If allergies...stay away from places that are not “comfortable”...it’s YOUR problem..not societies.
Business owners were once given a choice on how to run their business...you note there were very few businesses that did not accomodate smokers.
On the other hand I find it “uncomfortable to watch obese people shoveling food down their throats knowing full well they are endangering their life.
You have a distinct adversion to smokers.....so move away from them...simple.
For a little kid you sure have a big chip on your shoulder.
But go ahead and support the nanny state, I don’t have a problem with it....
But I would suggest you do a bit more living before you make such declarative statements as you have, because believe me, you really have no clue.
BTW, I will pass it along to the owner of my favorite establishment that all the 20&30somethings that were there and spilling out the doors Friday and Saturday night were just a figment of her imagination.
As to taking breaks - have no idea what you are talking about - of course being self employed since I was in my mid 20s - which means before you were even born - has much to do with that.
Come back and talk to me when you’ve grown up a bit more.
I need to grow up because I enjoy smoke free environments? Come up to Philadelphia. Go out in Manayunk or Rittenhouse. The only bars in either location are either full of townies or they are after hour spots. Smoking isn’t smoking that only affects you. If I’m sitting in the park, why should I have to deal with someone blowing smoke in my face? Unless your solution is for me to take matters into my own hand.
Do you support the freedom of a business owner not to hire smokers?
And to clarify, I really don’t care what you want to do with your business. I think the government has abused the 14th amendment. If you want to allow smoking, have at it. If you want to receive service to a couple promoting same sex marriage, have at it.
People vote with their feet.
Nope, its nothing more to me than a numbers game. If there are more smokers than non smokers the tide turns. I also know first hand that when asked about smoking, people lie, I know I do. I dont trust anyone with my private info.
And no, its not my “addiction” its my enjoyment. People like you have selfishly ruined it for years, well too bad. You have “allergies” then plan around them, and don’t subject me to them.
By the way.. Smoking wasn’t considered an “addiction” until the Surgeon Generality changed the definition of addiction to specifically include the smoking of tobacco.
It was considered a habit. Habituality is a quite different thing from addiction.
I guess when the chips are down, we know what camp you are in, the Eric “We need to brainwash them against guns like we did with smoking” Holder camp.
Yes, I do.
Do you support the freedom of a business owner not to hire only non-smokers?
If I’m sitting in the park, why should I have to deal with someone blowing smoke in my face?
You're outside - you are breathing in things far worse than the smell of tobacco smoke.
As I said, talk to me when you've grown up more.
Bummer on your "enjoyment" being ruined, I feel real bad. Call it whatever you want, "enjoyment" or a "habit"...it's still an "addiction".
You missed my back to back post. I stated that the government had abused the 14th Amd, and business owners should be free to run their businesses as they like. People vote with their feet. Most people don’t want to deal with the stench of smoking.
But in public, can you explain why you are free to do an activity which directly affects me?
You are actually amusing. But that’s fine, continue to live in your own little world for now. One day reality will hit you in the face and you will understand the folly of your blind acceptance of the nanny state. I will just continue to live in reality and fight it each and every day.
And on that note, I’ve got a business to run and am calling it a night. Have a pleasant evening.
If you are in public anything anyone can do is probably going to affect just about anyone. Someone smoking in a park, in the open air, is going to affect NO ONE, other than, perhaps, that smoker himself.
You say you enjoy going to bars, or at least did until you got someone in your life, and that has the possibility of directly affecting others. Drunks are super obnoxious, and imagine you are even more obnoxious when under the influence than you are being here - are you free to be obnoxious?
You sound like a libertarian. I don’t care how you run your business. I believe in voting with your feet. Come open up a bar in Manayunk that allows smoking. You won’t attract young professionals. The ones with oral fixations will go to a hookah bar.
It’s ignorant to talk down to someone who is younger than you. I’m also wondering if I’m supposed to care that you own a business?
Smoking doesn’t just affect you. Get over it. Like I said, you are starting to sound a pro-abort libertarian.
So your addiction determines how I enjoy a public place, but my allergies have no say?
It’s ironic because you both argue for the choice of business owners, yet smokers are always up in arms when employers limit smoking or ask about smoking on a questionaire.
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