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To: eXe

Your freedom to smoke doesn’t get to usurp my freedom to enjoy a nice meal. People with allergies are highly sensitive to smoke. No one wants to go to a bar and smell like an ash tray. It’s not the nanny state that attacked smoking. It’s everyone else. If you want to smell and significantly reduce your life span, have at it. Don’t expect me to allow you to smoke that crap around me. That’s not a nanny state. I’m sure most business owners would enact those no smoking regulations on their own. Bars that allow smoking nowadays are usually dives.


65 posted on 05/27/2013 6:49:05 PM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: HawkHogan; eXe
Your freedom to smoke doesn’t get to usurp my freedom to enjoy a nice meal.

You can enjoy a nice meal any time you wish - if you don't care for smoking, eat where it is not permitted, but don't dictate whether I can permit it in my establishment or not. Your freedom to enjoy your meal doesn't get to usurp my freedom to choose how to cater to my clientele.

No one wants to go to a bar and smell like an ash tray.

No one? Seriously, you have spoken to everyone that has ever gone into a bar? I seriously doubt it.

It’s not the nanny state that attacked smoking. It’s everyone else.

If that wee true, and it isn't, there would never have been a need for such laws.

If you want to smell and significantly reduce your life span, have at it. Don’t expect me to allow you to smoke that crap around me. That’s not a nanny state.

Yes it is, because you are telling me how to run my business. No one has forced you to enter any establishment, nor are you held captive in one that has an atmosphere you don't like.

I’m sure most business owners would enact those no smoking regulations on their own.

Then why didn't they? No, if you look at news archives of various paces working on smoker bans you will find many owners stating they would like to be smoke-free, but since most of their customers were smokers they would lose business. When we were fighting the smoking ban in Delaware one of the most vocal restaurant/bar owner opponents to it was a guy that had gone smoke-free on his own. He didn't want the ban because he felt he would lose his niche of being the only smoke-free place in his town.

Bars that allow smoking nowadays are usually dives.

You don't get out much, do you?

67 posted on 05/27/2013 7:31:48 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: HawkHogan

My freedom to do as I want when I want....is not dependant on your ‘comfort’ level in a social invironment.

If you don’t want to be around smokers you have other choices...eat at home...go to places that are non-smoking. That IS your freedom and your choice.

Neither does someones “medical condition” determine what freedoms others have or not. If allergies...stay away from places that are not “comfortable”...it’s YOUR problem..not societies.

Business owners were once given a choice on how to run their business...you note there were very few businesses that did not accomodate smokers.

On the other hand I find it “uncomfortable to watch obese people shoveling food down their throats knowing full well they are endangering their life.

You have a distinct adversion to smokers.....so move away from them...simple.


69 posted on 05/27/2013 7:55:04 PM PDT by caww
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