Posted on 05/20/2013 6:28:39 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The scandals appearing in the news are merely symptoms of THE most important problem at hand, which has yet to explode on the scene. The Democrats stole the last presidential election (they first tried with Gore) and have probably stolen many legislative elections. Evidence seems to be mounting as one reads about the many precincts in Philadelphia having not a single Romney vote (statistical impossibility) and then the latest news were "True the Vote" was harassed by not only the IRS, but the FBI, OSHA AND the ATF.
Since no charges were filed, WHO sicced four Federal agencies on an organization whose sole purpose is to make sure voting fraud does not occur? And why? If the media would actually wake up, they would discover that the nation has been defrauded for two elections and policies have been put in place to make sure the leftists never leave power again until the whole thing collapses. Meanwhile, THE agenda is pro-homosexuality and eventual confiscation of weapons to prevent rebellion against the illegal takeover of government.
That is almost certainly true Mene. As a follower of “True The Vote” I wondered why there was so little significant exposure appearing at their site.
Almost all the concern and observations in this thread have validity, but are all moot because there is no “audit trail” or other way to check the actual vote built into our voting mechanism. Auditing capability was removed when we replaced paper ballots counted at precincts with machines where counting was presumably performed after the ballots or punch cards disappeared behind a wall of secrecy with results reported some time after all the evidence is concealed. The only reason Bush won the election in Florida is because there were still punch cards stored, though as we saw, the counting was corrupt. The counting should have been completed at the precincts. Germany has addressed this problem by returning to paper ballots. That must be our first action if enough citizens still believe in a representative republic.
All the techniques taught by Obama at Project Vote are most likely a diversion. There is no way to validate a vote count after a precinct is closed, and the data are not on paper. The bussing of illegals and multiple votes solicited by Acorn workers serves the purpose, if necessary, of sacrificial lambs. When the public begins to wonder why every close election is lost, or why there are 30% more voters than registered citizens there must be some "investigation" to assure the public elections have legitimacy. How Romney can receive no votes in 150 or so precincts, where many minority families are devout Christians who cannot vote to continue to fund Planned Parenthood or late term abortions certainly requires some explanations. The low-level Acorn employees "responsible" just move to a similar organization with a new name. The black families who passed the proposition in blue California to prohibit homosexual marriage have counterparts in Cleveland and Philadelphia and Ohio, in many of those precincts were Romney didn't receive a single vote, and where over 130% of registered voters voted for Obama.
There are many Democrats who support Democracy. They too have been violated by our loss of voting integrity. The vicious IRS attack on True The Vote confirms the importance to Soros and his minions of owning the voting processes, which the left does today, and upon which Soros has spent in excess of 100 million dollars. Computers are as inconsistent with secure voting and audit trails as Sharia is with Democracy, and connected, as we see with Chavez’ and Saudi ownership of one of, if not the largest, electronic voting equipment company moving rapidly into district after district in the US.
The most complete historical analysis of techniques being used by both parties available for public consumption is a book published in 1996 by two leftists, James and Kenneth Collier, running a campaign for congress in Broward County Florida - “Votescam”. The documented the remarkable control of votes, which included corruption of the League of Women Voters, whose president committed suicide when exposed, and repeated disappearance of evidence sent to the FBI, even after being handed to the FBI, showing complicity at very high levels. The brothers who conducted the election (one was a lawyer), wrote the book, and filmed the prepunched rolls in the voting machines stored in a warehouse, filmed the League of Women Voters invaliding punch cards by punching an extra hole, are included their FBI documents. Their case was finally thrown out by a Broward Asst. DA named Janet Reno claiming the voter fraud case exceeded the statute of limitations. The fix in the judiciary was such the fact there was no such statue for voter fraud showed that the statement was for the public given, as today, a compliant press that would not dare repeat the truth.
While today our CIA is being directed by a Wahhabi Muslim, John Brennan, thirty years ago it commissioned a study, discovered during the research into corruption of our voting processes by the Collier Brothers. I'll quote a paragraph from their book, and cite their source, a CIA-commissioned study in 1980 by The Air Command and Staff College and University of New Mexico. Their research was published in the International Journal of Public Administration:
"The United States government has no elections office and does not attempt to administer congressional elections. The responsibility for the administrations of elections and certification of winners in the United States National election rests with a consortium of private entities, including 110,000 members of the national League of Women Voters. . The formal structure of election administration in the United States is not capable of providing the major TV networks with timely results of the presidential and congressional elections. In the case of counting actual ballots on election night, public officials have abdicated responsibility of aggregation of election night vote totals to a private organization, News Elections Service of New York (NES),. NES is a wholly owned subsidiary joint-venture of national television networks, ABC, CBS, and NBC, and the press wire services AP and UPI. [I believe CNN and perhaps FOX have joined the consortium since]. This private organization performs without a contract, without supervision by public officials. It makes decisions concerning its duties according to its own criteria. The question and accountability of News Election Service has not arisen in the nations press because the responsibility NES how has in counting the nations' votes was assumed gradually over a lengthy period without ever being evaluated as an item on the public agenda."
We are closer to tyranny than most realize. Voting, if it were not thoroughly controlled by our executive branch , is one of the last peaceful ways to restore representative government. Why else is Napolitano stockpiling hollow point ammunition? It is a UN violation if used by our armed forces. But remember Obama’s truthful revelation, “We need to create a civilian armed force, as large and well-equipped as our military...” Most Westerners dismiss his words as hyperbole, just as they dismiss Ahmadinejad’s and Morsi’s and Erdoqan’s, and the Imam's at the Boston Mosque, or the Blind Sheik's before the second WTC attack (he is in prison for the 93 WTC bombing).
Why would they want to do that? I'd be pretty darn sure that they voted heavily for Zero, in significantly larger percentage than the general population.
His first policy hire for his campaign was a GAY GUY.
He beat Obama to the punch!
Used to be the cheaters held tight to the paper ballot systems on the grounds that there was a PAPER TRAIL ~ as if that even meant something. Nobody's signature is on the ballot so you don't know where it came from.
Electronic systems are as reliable and useful as any other although I rather admire the Greek system where you held your hand in the air. That was replaced by the easily defrauded 'light or dark piece of tile in a bucket' system.
That is nonsense muawiyah. Paper is fragile, but once a ballot has been marked, placed in secure container in plain view of precinct workers from all parties, and counted in the presence of those parties, and the boxes secured and stored with all the security we have, transported to storage warehouses with witnesses from both parties, with electronics [RFID is common but there are a number of newer technologies]to monitor the boxes as are used in Walmart, and video surveillance of the counting just like what is found in every gambling casino in the US beyond corner drugstores, which allow the Casino to read every hand you play, with videos stored for months or even years, you have a reasonable assurance that a recount can be performed.
Once bits are written to memory, of any type, with no error checking or correction meaningful, since the original action cannot be verified (a touchscreen or button or scan produces a few bytes with no audit trail, no paper copy; though paper printouts are often provided, they are not themselves provably valid). Every electronic counting device would need to be installed and operated from within a Faraday cage to try to prevent remote access for data manipulation or control. Electronic data acquisition provides the easiest means of inventing election results because so few understand the many stages associated with insuring that data are valid.
It was my business for over twenty years, and part of my job was to anticipate mechanisms for falsifying data because the FDA was fierce about results submitted without thorough authentication, and wouldn't consider allowing drugs manufactured without such audit trails to be approved, and would certainly prosecute anyone caught submitting false analysis. If the "Blue Box" at Moffett Field can be penetrated, and NSA facilities can spend billions trying to secure their internal communications, what chance is there that election precincts can make their electronics secure. With so much money at stake I can assure you that a standard electronics component, usually based upon "Field Programmable Gate Arrays", FPGAs, could have a cell added to otherwise identical units for communicating with an external source, and not even the manufacturers would know.
It does not exist!
As anyone who has ever studied the Chicago method can tell you witnesses lie, officials can be bribed, boxes can be swapped,.......
Thanks justiceseeker93.
Well said.
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All part of Obama’s transforming the USA into a Socialist state by following a Cloward Plivin strategy.
Voter fraud is the hallmark of a socialist nation....we’ve arrived! Only this time it won’t end up like they think....The American People, at least the ones that count, are a hardy and independent lot......with a stubborn streak.
As Mel Gibson’s character in The Patriot said “They’re exactly the sort we’ll be needing.” I resemble that remark!
Even if every gay in America voted for him Obama would have still won.
Voter fraud is the hallmark of a socialist nation....we’ve arrived! Only this time it won’t end up like they think....The American People, at least the ones that count, are a hardy and independent lot......with a stubborn streak.
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You are right.
Liberty runs deep.
Thank you for all your insights, dear justiceseeker93!
Nobody's signature is on the ballot so you don't know where it came from.
The lack of traceability and unconcern for audits of precincts for such an important event throughout the history of the republic is mind-boggling.
The Democrats stole...
Criminals steal. Criminals are individuals. Socialists/totalitarians are criminals. They lie. They cheat. They plunder. They kill. They should not be involved in the politics of the republic. Identify them. How? Easy. The weapon used most often by the criminal is the lie.
"Everything about socialism is sham and affectation." - 23.11 Ch23; Evil; Economic Harmonies; Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850
Bastiat Bump!
That's it. We should have our polling places located inside casinos.
Only half joking, Spaulding. The casino bosses don't play games. Too bad the people in charge of our electoral process do.
You are simply incorrect about paper audits. There is not an electronic audit trail though many companies and lots of engineering thesis have explored such solutions. Before News Election Service most of our precincts used paper ballots. The honor of citizens is what kept them verifiable, not that there haven't always been cheaters. If the count is performed at the precinct under the watch of all volunteers, and the ballots are safely stored, the real time count is the official tabulation. The stored ballots are only opened under court order, and to effect a recount. That is an audit trail. I don't understand what you are talking about. The precinct workers all signed their names to the count and are present when the boxes are sealed and locked.
The example that often comes to mind when explaining the significance of audit trails is the OJ Simpson trial. The great minds insisted that there was jury nullification; the black jury would not convict OJ regardless of the evidence. The DNA specialist for the defense noted in the closing statements that all the physical evidence was collected by two “criminalists” - technicians - who each put the samples they collected into sealed containers, dating and signing each container. When evidence was presented by the prosecution only evidence with one signature was presented. The audit trail, the chain of evidence, was corrupted and no physical evidence could be assumed untainted. The jury was correct, and clearly smarter than the pundits who could not understand the significance of data integrity.
The signatures of the precinct workers, working together, each able to challenge the count of whomever is counting, is what establishes an audit trail. If there is a recount, the name of those present, doing and observing the count is part of the stored record. That is what an audit trail is all about.
In my case, scientific instruments collect data, generate polynomials immediately upon collecting the data, and send the data and error correcting polynomials using private wired networks, using encrypted data packets, to two separate databases, with time stamps generated automatically. Access to those databases is rigorously controlled. That is just part of the audit trail we built. It neither required nor permitted human intervention.
Part of the success of the paper ballot depends upon the inherent honesty of precinct workers who live in the precinct they are counting. Their personal honor would prevent most of them from daring to try to cheat on a few ballots. As it is, we have no reason to believe there is any counting going on directly associated with the touchscreens or ballots generated by machines, and in which the precinct workers are essentially ushers, not even allowed to ask for identification in most states. The workers managing today's machines mostly work for the SEIU. I would count on SEIU, whose jobs, and probably, physical safety for them and their families, depend upon their not revealing how tabulation is accomplished, or if it is accomplished at all.
Time and again one reads of engineering students who visit a precinct and demonstrate their ability to access machines scanning or managing human input using just a laptop with Bluetooth or 802.11x. The suppliers of those machines know that security is an afterthought. One of the sure signs voter fraud is when the computers mysteriously fail during the tabulation. The Collier brother documented dozens of such incidents when they became voter fraud specialist. The number of voters is miniscule compared to the power of even an typical laptop, and the data sets are relatively tiny compared to what Google or Twitter handle. Chances are a malfunction is announced so politicians can take some time to assess how they want to distribute the count so as not to arouse too much suspicion, which, after all, no one can prove because there are no ballots verifiable ballots to count. As with OJ, if the data are being stored by a party with a legal or fiduciary interest in what they report, they are worthless as evidence.
Ask Eric (Janet Reno collapsed into his arms) Holder.
There is your answer.
Close, Very close.
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