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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"The reason Republicans will not investigate voter fraud is because they too, have been involved in the same."

That is almost certainly true Mene. As a follower of “True The Vote” I wondered why there was so little significant exposure appearing at their site.

Almost all the concern and observations in this thread have validity, but are all moot because there is no “audit trail” or other way to check the actual vote built into our voting mechanism. Auditing capability was removed when we replaced paper ballots counted at precincts with machines where counting was presumably performed after the ballots or punch cards disappeared behind a wall of secrecy with results reported some time after all the evidence is concealed. The only reason Bush won the election in Florida is because there were still punch cards stored, though as we saw, the counting was corrupt. The counting should have been completed at the precincts. Germany has addressed this problem by returning to paper ballots. That must be our first action if enough citizens still believe in a representative republic.

All the techniques taught by Obama at Project Vote are most likely a diversion. There is no way to validate a vote count after a precinct is closed, and the data are not on paper. The bussing of illegals and multiple votes solicited by Acorn workers serves the purpose, if necessary, of sacrificial lambs. When the public begins to wonder why every close election is lost, or why there are 30% more voters than registered citizens there must be some "investigation" to assure the public elections have legitimacy. How Romney can receive no votes in 150 or so precincts, where many minority families are devout Christians who cannot vote to continue to fund Planned Parenthood or late term abortions certainly requires some explanations. The low-level Acorn employees "responsible" just move to a similar organization with a new name. The black families who passed the proposition in blue California to prohibit homosexual marriage have counterparts in Cleveland and Philadelphia and Ohio, in many of those precincts were Romney didn't receive a single vote, and where over 130% of registered voters voted for Obama.

There are many Democrats who support Democracy. They too have been violated by our loss of voting integrity. The vicious IRS attack on True The Vote confirms the importance to Soros and his minions of owning the voting processes, which the left does today, and upon which Soros has spent in excess of 100 million dollars. Computers are as inconsistent with secure voting and audit trails as Sharia is with Democracy, and connected, as we see with Chavez’ and Saudi ownership of one of, if not the largest, electronic voting equipment company moving rapidly into district after district in the US.

The most complete historical analysis of techniques being used by both parties available for public consumption is a book published in 1996 by two leftists, James and Kenneth Collier, running a campaign for congress in Broward County Florida - “Votescam”. The documented the remarkable control of votes, which included corruption of the League of Women Voters, whose president committed suicide when exposed, and repeated disappearance of evidence sent to the FBI, even after being handed to the FBI, showing complicity at very high levels. The brothers who conducted the election (one was a lawyer), wrote the book, and filmed the prepunched rolls in the voting machines stored in a warehouse, filmed the League of Women Voters invaliding punch cards by punching an extra hole, are included their FBI documents. Their case was finally thrown out by a Broward Asst. DA named Janet Reno claiming the voter fraud case exceeded the statute of limitations. The fix in the judiciary was such the fact there was no such statue for voter fraud showed that the statement was for the public given, as today, a compliant press that would not dare repeat the truth.

While today our CIA is being directed by a Wahhabi Muslim, John Brennan, thirty years ago it commissioned a study, discovered during the research into corruption of our voting processes by the Collier Brothers. I'll quote a paragraph from their book, and cite their source, a CIA-commissioned study in 1980 by The Air Command and Staff College and University of New Mexico. Their research was published in the International Journal of Public Administration:

"The United States government has no elections office and does not attempt to administer congressional elections. The responsibility for the administrations of elections and certification of winners in the United States National election rests with a consortium of private entities, including 110,000 members of the national League of Women Voters. . The formal structure of election administration in the United States is not capable of providing the major TV networks with timely results of the presidential and congressional elections. In the case of counting actual ballots on election night, public officials have abdicated responsibility of aggregation of election night vote totals to a private organization, News Elections Service of New York (NES),. NES is a wholly owned subsidiary joint-venture of national television networks, ABC, CBS, and NBC, and the press wire services AP and UPI. [I believe CNN and perhaps FOX have joined the consortium since]. This private organization performs without a contract, without supervision by public officials. It makes decisions concerning its duties according to its own criteria. The question and accountability of News Election Service has not arisen in the nations press because the responsibility NES how has in counting the nations' votes was assumed gradually over a lengthy period without ever being evaluated as an item on the public agenda."

We are closer to tyranny than most realize. Voting, if it were not thoroughly controlled by our executive branch , is one of the last peaceful ways to restore representative government. Why else is Napolitano stockpiling hollow point ammunition? It is a UN violation if used by our armed forces. But remember Obama’s truthful revelation, “We need to create a civilian armed force, as large and well-equipped as our military...” Most Westerners dismiss his words as hyperbole, just as they dismiss Ahmadinejad’s and Morsi’s and Erdoqan’s, and the Imam's at the Boston Mosque, or the Blind Sheik's before the second WTC attack (he is in prison for the 93 WTC bombing).

41 posted on 05/20/2013 3:26:49 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding
Paper ballots offered no more of an audit trail than any other method!

Used to be the cheaters held tight to the paper ballot systems on the grounds that there was a PAPER TRAIL ~ as if that even meant something. Nobody's signature is on the ballot so you don't know where it came from.

Electronic systems are as reliable and useful as any other although I rather admire the Greek system where you held your hand in the air. That was replaced by the easily defrauded 'light or dark piece of tile in a bucket' system.

44 posted on 05/20/2013 4:12:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Spaulding

Well said.


48 posted on 05/20/2013 7:17:10 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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