Posted on 03/14/2013 8:11:08 AM PDT by ksen
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost
http://truecostblog.com/2009/05/13/how-much-would-universal-healthcare-cost/
Oh, then you are all for death panels as long as you get to pick who dies?
Also an interesting article, but completely irrelevant. People in Sweden, overall, are healthier than people in the US, overall...THAT is all this article shows. But, that is NOT proof that their health care system is better. There are MANY other important, highly correlated variables.
For starters, their population is extremely homogenous. They eat healthier, excercise far more, live in a heathier environment, don't eat the same crappy food we do, and don't have nearly as much economic stratification in their society.
I think THIS is a far better measure of who has the best health system:
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20080716/cancer-survival-rates-vary-by-country
(sorry.... my HTML skills are limited)
I also judge by: Where do the world's super-weathy go to get health care treatment.
They come here, not Iceland.
bttt
I’m all for it. Just look at what a good job the government does running welfare, social security, the US postal service - Oh wait, those are all broke. Never mind.
We at the Super Cheap Single Payer Health Care System (SCSPHC) have reviewed your need for life saving surgery and have determined you are too old, too unimportant, too risky, or on our political kill list. Your surgery has been denied. But the wonderful news is you have been placed on the Comfort Care Plan, which consists of 2 aspirin a day and a I LOVE Obama Hypoallergenic pillow with 100% egyptian cotton pillowcase (your choice of color- blue or light blue). Thank you for paying your Super Cheap Single Payer Health Care System (SCSPHC) bill in a timely manner all these years.
Sincerely,
The SCSPHC board of appointed anonymous people
Neither is a sustainable system. The current merely hasn’t collapsed yet from it’s monopoly price system/government malfeasance. “single payer” (i.e. socialized) medicine falls apart eventually too, the only reason the European ones held for so long was because we carried their defense spending for decades...
How much of this innovation is because of government spending on basic research?
IMHO, all those who “trust” the government with these issues are extremely naive.
Sounds like a normal letter people get every day now from the wonderful private insurance carriers.
No.
And yet you have no problem being dependent upon the federal government to keep us free from invasion. So obviously they are capable of doing some things right.
In no way would I be for “single payer” aka government monopoly on doctors and medicine. America was not chartered as a communist country. I will and would pay more on the black market just to avoid single-payer. It is evil. It places life and death decisions in the hands of unelected people that you cannot get rid of.
It is a mistake to accept the abstract conceptual framework of libtards. A single payer system would not be cheaper than the current system unless there was a drastic deterioration of quality and quantity of service.
Egalitarianism and making something free to the individual and chargeable to the group as a whole is to make consumption of the individual virtually costless, which leads to the abolition of cost in the spending of income, which leads individuals to demand everything.
The increase in demand leads to:
1) an overall increase in cost of medical care as a whole to the taxpayers.
2) a decrease in quality and quality of medical care supplied by doctors to individuals.
The bureaucratizing of medicine and the control of doctor's fees and treatments turns doctors into slaves, and ultimately makes medicine unattractive as a profession, which will lead to a decrease in the supply of doctors and a doctor shortage.
To control costs, the government will have to resort to death panels, a prohibition of many procedures, and opposition to medical advances, in order to save money.
No. Not for sale at any price.
SnakeDoc
And if they do, they are free to find another carrier, or, pay attention now, pay for their health care themselves.
Single payer systems outlaw private transactions.
I don't know... My belief is: Very Little.
Most government research money I see gifted to universities is politically driven and wasteful.
People with a profit motive spend their money more wisely.
The government “keeping us free from invasion” is nothing comparable to the government making every trivial decision about the health care of every resident of the United States. And, as several posters have mentioned, the government does NOT have a good track record with the administration of detailed systems and programs. I could not have any expectation that they would suddenly improve in these skills. I don’t see a lot of competition in the “keeping us free from invasion” realm. I believe that is one of the premises of the Constitution. I don’t recall health care being in there at all.
{sigh} You again. I'm not wasting the time today.
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