Posted on 02/17/2013 7:39:34 AM PST by EBH
Here’s a riddle, but it’s not funny, and I’m almost afraid to contemplate the answer:
What do you get when you cross aggressive government attempts to strip citizens of their Second Amendment rights with at least 65 million American gun owners, who have just bought roughly 65 million more guns in only the last four years? Let’s just say, “trouble” could be a euphemism for an answer.
Those aggressive moves include Democratic politicians in Missouri and Minnesota introducing legislation to confiscate “assault weapons” from law-abiding citizens, who would become criminals if they refused to give up their lawfully purchased property.
In New York state, Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo rammed through an expanded ban on so-called assault weapons, requirements for background checks just to buy ammunition, or to do private sales of personally owned firearms.
Hundreds of angry New York gun owners are protesting bitterly.
Those outrages come along with Sen. Diane Feinstein’s attempt at a more-restrictive new national assault weapons ban. That effort seems to be morphing into a debate over “universal background checks.” Such checks sound reasonable until you understand that it sets the stage for gun registration, which is a prelude to confiscation.
Even the term “assault weapon” is fiction, a political creation. In fact the notion of an assault weapons ban doing any good is put to the lie by the U.S. Department of Justice’s own National Institute of Justice which noted this year, “Assault weapons are not a major contributor to gun crime.” The same report also reveals the ineffectiveness of so-called large capacity magazine bans short of draconian measures. It flat-out says universal background checks won’t work without gun registration.
Oddly, the renewed efforts by liberal politicians to clamp down on private gun owners comes as the Department of Homeland Security is moving to buy...
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I’ll give you one other clue. To repeal the Second is to repeal every other Right contained within the Bill of Rights, which you and I hold dear. Governments by nature are tyrants. Please remember your history. Do not advocate for a repeat of history. No sane person wants to go there. Be Sane, and Stay Safe. The safety you protect is for your children and grandchildren and countless generation to be born in America. Forget who hates us. They will hate us even if we surrender our firearms. Never trust government or its media arm they will only seek yours and my destruction.
The problem for all of us is that with every passing day government is less and less bound by the chains of the enumerated powers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The assault on the RKBA is only one symptom of the cancer of Leviathan government. The question for us is broader than just preserving the RKBA. Don’t forget the RKBA exists to protect us against a tyrannous government that has run amok.
BUT TO WHAT END??? That we just get the present tyrannous government to back off on being tyrannous with respect to the RKBA and then we will go home?
NO! To the end that when government run amok it is our obligation to repair the defects that allowed that breakout. And what about “shall not be infringed” is defective? The defect is in the dynamics of the judicial branch, a branch that turns up down and makes black white. Maybe we need to have a Nullification Amendment like Randy Barnett proposes. Maybe we need to a federal judiciary that must stand for a retention vote every four years (in the off-year). We certainly need to strengthen the power of the jury to decide the law as well as the facts!
Look at how apoplectic it will make the left when we have such a discussion. That will be half the fun!
“Please remember your history. Do not advocate for a repeat of history.”
And should we just reset the present Leviathan government without changing anything, history gives advocates of tyranny a roadmap to drive us right back to the very same fork in the road we are at right now.
That is why we must make a change and the means for that change is a Convention. All other roads are far more likley to quickly lead us to bloodshed.
I am an advocate for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Rule of Law. Leave the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Rule of Law alone FRiend. You want trouble? Go toward a CC and then there will be trouble. I have probably been on this Earth longer than you. I can sense trouble and I have no doubt a CC means trouble. No sane person wants trouble.
One can only pray sometimes and this is one of those times. Leave it be, please.
Seems to me that the constitution is not the problem, the problem is the politicians have not followed it for years. Wish we could just wipe the slate clean, all the laws and Supreme Court decisions made since.
When the prohibition amendment was passed and the Volstead Act was enacted, about three months after that I came through Portland, Oreg. Now there is a certain district in Portland Oreg. where there is the so-called employment district--- it is usually amongst the working people, called the "slave market"--- and I was the most astonished man you ever saw. Before that I had seen drunkenness there, dilapidated men, helpless, and in any condition that you do not want to see human beings. This time, three months after this act was passed there was an entire change. The men walked around from one place to another looking for employment, seamen and others. And they were sober. And they looked at the conditions, and they said, "No, we will wait a little." There was more independence amongst them than I had ever seen before. That very class which is the worst and lowest class that we know of amongst the seamen and workingmen. And I became an ardent advocate of the Volstead Act.
Two years afterwards I came through the same identical place, staying in Portland for about three days, and went to the very same place for the purpose of looking at the situation, and the condition was worse than it had been prior to the passage of the law. As long as the prohibition legislation was enforced, could be enforced, as long as the bootlegging element had not been organized, and not get the stuff, everything looked well. But the moment that they could get it they got it. And they will find it when nobody else can. They will find it somewhere. If it is to be bought in the vicinity any where they will find it. And the condition is worse than it ever was, because the stuff that they drink is worse than ever.
- Testimony of Andrew Furuseth, President of the International Seamen's Union of America, The National Prohibition Law, Hearings before the Subcommittee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Sixty-Ninth Congress, April 5 to 24, 1926"
My guess: Whatever percentage of Americans who don't want to violate the law will sell their firearms to those who don't care before the grace period expires - and then buy back weapons once they see how essential firearms are in an "unarmed" country.
We have an absolute human right to defend ourselves, our families, and our freedom, and any "law" that demands we disarm is invalid. I would guess that even those who would not openly or covertly defy an unconstitutional ban on guns would MUCH rather have their arms in the hands of "criminals" who buy and sell weapons illegally than in the hands of a tyrannical government - although the best hands for our weapons are our own.
I have read some wise things you stated the last couple of days. Wondering how we could set the stage to do a constitutional evaluation of our current legal code. That would radically simplify our legal system but now even the supreme court justices do not abide by the constitution.
“Seems to me that the constitution is not the problem, the problem is the politicians have not followed it for years. Wish we could just wipe the slate clean, all the laws and Supreme Court decisions made since.”
First, as I have previously written, should we just reset our government without repairing the defects, history will guide new politicians back to the same tyranny.
The Constitution does indeed have weaknesses that allow tyrannous people to exploit. For example, the commerce clause has been expanded to allow any federal intrusion as long as it can be justified economically. See the Kelo decision where a private home was seized to build a parking garage. The general welfare clause now allows income redistribution.
See Randy Barnett’s essay in Forbes on this very topic:
A Bill Of Federalism
Randy E. Barnett, 05.20.09, 4:11 PM ET
FRiend there is a contradiction in this post. I will not point out your contradiction to you for that would be make this lesson too easy. I challenge you to find your contradiction in your post. A teachable moment should you accept this challenge.
“Elections” aren’t going to do us any good until they give PAPER receipts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hbf3iaEbAuY
Gallup et.al. claim their polls show Congress has a single-digit approval rating.
In fact, they have a 90+% approval rating; that’s how many get re-elected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hbf3iaEbAuY
Your post needs the attention of everyone! Worth Repeating.
we agree that the tyranny is broader than just the assault on the 2A. That is why we are obligated to redefine the federal government. And we can do that without shedding a drop of blood.
How to we redefine the federal government? By the vote? Today voting only legitimatizes corruption. By a tax revolt? Witholding tax minimizes this approach and even if it worked the fed simply prints more money.
What is your solution?
LIE, lie, and lie. Never ever ever tell anyone what you have or don't have. I'm amazed that these idiots on the Prepper Shows actually let people know what they're doing.
If the STHF because of natural or man-made causes, most (except for very rural) will be the target after the "takers" finish looting downtown. Suburbanites are next on the list. Make friends with your neighbors.
Think Rodney King riots of 1991 and the Koreans atop their stores with rifles ready. The police were actually instructed to pull out of South Central and the city burned because of it. Remember Katrina when the police were confiscating weapons? Remember all the black outs that put the looters into a frenzy? Doesn't matter the cause, just lie and be prepared.
Although it's been repeated many times, I leave all with this last thought:
I guess that’s right, in fact I was thinking about the trash that’s come out of the commerce clause interpretations. Would you suggest re-wording that or just deleting it?
A lot of federal laws I think should be scratched because they should fall under the 10th ammendment. At least then if the citizens of some State want some wacky laws (like CA) they can suffer the consequences alone and the people that don’t like it can move.
Huge BUMP and a must see your post bookmark. FReepers a programmer testifies on voting machine fraud. Thank You for your post Mortrey!
Much like poison ivy.
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