Preppers’ PING!!
I’ve been reading this website(Surviving in Argentina) for several years.
There are some excellent articles and advice on ‘things to come’ and survival.
Well recommended!
>Its now and in these coming years that people will get to see for themselves what works and what doesn’t.<
.
And while the US is taking that looooong nosedive into oblivion, the rest of the world had better learn to fix their own problems.
Perhaps y’all can ask Russia and China to give you a helping hand.
They want it, they will get it, in spades, with a cherry and cream on top.
Scu*bags one and all.
IMHO
Its going to be a lot tougher for some than it will be for others.
Being “poor” for my whole life is a real blessing.
Argentina after Peron and until this day. Not a complete collapse, but it’s a permanent state.
When the USA experieinces economic collapse it will drag EVERYBODY with it. The dollar will become devalued, but so will every other currency worth having! So Achmed is going to take billions out of the US and invest into what? The next country about to go belly up?
There will be nowhere to go! No, the best that we can hope for is a slow collapse, I guess.
And, FWIW, the government will NOT tell anyone about an iminent collapse. Washington DC will just lie.
Gonna be worse, globally, than WWII. I, for one, just want revenge. And I see great opportunity.
Mexico, with extra s*&t salsa.
Don’t worry about it .. you won’t live through it anyway
Kart, you had that thread about bartering and I posted an article, but I started that with a warning of engaging in bartering. The man who wrote the article for this present thread about Argentina said this:
“You’ll start bartering for a living like thousands did in Argentina. When you realize the problems concerning bartering you’ll try making money to survive on whatever new currency replaces the US dollar.”
Knowing no one can predict how another person will act when the person’s life is draining out due to no water or no food, I won’t trust anyone to be what they were before the collapse came. At this time in my life, I’m more of a solitary person, retired without a workplace to occupy and without a large group of friends/acquaintances and no one knows what I have, so I won’t have a group of people coming around to visit and see what I have and want some of it.
I expect other Freepers do have a large group of people who will check on them or come see them, or contact them in some way and that could be a problem for these Freepers.
I believe this country is dying - it will either continue to die slowly or there will be a final flap of butterfly wings that will cause a sudden collapse in the monetary system or electric grid which brings the same thing, and then it’s chaos and panic and we are plunged into the dark ages of long ago.
I think if people don’t have what they need to survive for a long period, maybe that is a year but it could be much longer, they will die. We don’t know how long it would take for some semblance of order to come about. This man’s report about Argentina says it still isn’t happening there, chaos still rules after a number of years.
The future is uncertain but our preparations can have goals we meet and continue to set goals. If we do nothing, we leave our future to chance and that is not an option for many of us. I have insurance for my house, my car, my life, medical needs, and I have “survival” insurance.
Kart, I know you have survival insurance, and we both hope many others get it.
America is not Argentina and since we have valuable resources I woluld expect China and other very bad actors to attempt to “help” us and send an invasion force while we are vulnerable. They will want to carve us up and keep what they can take.
And seriously wouldnt we really expect Obama to invite them in to help stop the rebellion that is trying to push him out of power?
Sounds far fetched you say, but would you have ever beleived me if I told you 6 years ago we would see a dounling of the national debt and GM owned by the government?
When the meltdown comes it will be open season on America from our global enemies and we will have to fight, thats what I beleive we are in for.
Think “Yugoslavia” circa 1991. An industrialized nation, an out of control but weak central government, and too many demographic groups who don’t like each other.
I expect the utter collapse of the US economy would trigger a world-wide depression and attendant run on banks.
“our currency lost 70% of its value overnight and the president resigned while anarchy spread all over the country”
Cheer up, Folks! In the event of a collapse OUR president will NOT resign.
Argentina had the US to help stabilize the world economy so it could recover. When we go down we will take the rest of the world with us and there is no stabilization.
We all want to know what’s coming, and none of us knows. It could be a financial collapse, a collapse brought on by war, or some other triggering event. Regardless of the reason, if the grid ever goes down we will discover what true SHTF really means.
But when “whatever it is” comes, I think the Balkans, Argentina, and every other national collapse in the last 150 years will prove to be relatively small compared to whatever lies in store for us now. The reason is that it will affect the whole developed world at once.
The rest of these comments concern the economic collapse scenario:
The possibility of a financial collapse is not the product of a few fringe lunatics’ imaginations. The world has seen many nations collapse financially, and the results are horrible. The United States is most certainly NOT immune.
Nial Ferguson (considered by many to be the world’s leading economic historian, at least among those currently among the living) has said the current worldwide economic crisis is possibly the worst in the entire history of the world.
The reason is that the economic problems we face NOW apply in one form or another to every single large economy in the world. What’s more, none of the major economies can fall without bringing down all the rest.
The world has never before faced a potentially simultaneous financial meltdown of every developed nation, all at once.
The current situation is different than ever before in other ways as well. The impact of a collapse (financial or otherwise) would be worsened in two major ways:
A. Incredibly hostile groups likely to wreak havoc if/when things begin to break down.
B. An incredibly complex society, leading to loss of individual self sufficiency.
Since this is true for every developed nation in the world, the world faces a problem that has never existed on such a large scale before.
A worldwide financial collapse could be astonishingly sudden, perhaps leading to financial gridlock within a matter of hours. This means a financial collapse could throw us into a full blown SHTF situation with very little notice.
But a financial collapse could also come more slowly. We could see a huge economic decline on relative short notice, but not a complete breakdown. This would lead to widespread hardship and a rise in civil unrest.
Here in the United States, a serious enough problem would open the door for Obama to make a major grab for power.
If this is what transpires, Obama will attempt to control things through imposition of martial law and dictatorial, totalitarian rule. Most of the foundation for this has already been laid. A major missing piece is confiscation of guns.
In this scenario, the majority of the American people will welcome Obama’s rule with open arms. The people that voted for Obama in the last election love/worship him anyway, and will conclude a dictator is better than anarchy. (Our media, of course, will never use the word “dictator”, and will support his every move.)
Not everyone would go along, hence the need to confiscate our guns NOW.
.
.
.
This is just one of the possibilities we face, but I believe this is the scenario Obama is playing for. (Once he makes his move we may find out what those rumored FEMA camps are really for. I hope I’m wrong.)
.
.
.
In this scenario I would expect Obama to be able to keep the lid on, at least for a time. Not everyone would go along. If/when his totalitarian rule failed, civil control would be lost. Eventually, loss of civil control would likely mean the grid would go down too.
My tag line says it all. Had that for three years, now. :)