Posted on 11/09/2012 5:14:03 PM PST by reed13k
Just a quick question on positive and negatives of each 30-06 vs 30-30. My understanding is there is only a slight difference in range, but what all the other potential factors? Your thoughts as I dig into the details in the books, mags, and websites.
A 30-30 is usually a flat nosed or round nosed bullet intended for brush bucking. It has an effective range of 100-150 yds. The 30-30 runs about 1700 to 1850 fps and so sheds its speed quickly.
On the other hand the 30-06 can run at speeds of 2600 fps to over 3200 fps. The 30-06 has the ability in the right type of rifle with a qualified rifleman over a 1000 meters. It can be loaded with everything from a 40 grain sabit all the way up to a 220 grain round nosed partition dangerous game round. This gives you the ability to shoot from ground hogs to brown bears.
the 30-30 is a carbine that shoots essentially pistol ammo. I had one once and loved it. I needed some arm rehab, though, and traded it for a compound bow and a pile of arrows and other bow stuff. That was great, too.
“Bolt Guns are far easier to scope than a Lever * no mater what caliber”
Marlin Leverguns are just as easy to scope as a bolt gun.
Buy both so you have one to give to a family member when the SHTF.
I just completed a weapons class and the info I learned regarding the topic may interest you. 3030 stands for 30 caliber 30 grains. And 30.06 refers to 30 caliber and that the U.S. Army adopted this rifle in 1906. No more, and no less.
point taken.. you are correct
Bolt guns are easer to scope then Open TOPPED lever guns Win 94 etc.
Get ‘em both. You’ll have need of them shortly.
Well I’m trying to limit calibers and such so was looking to keep .22 in rifle and handgun, 12 and 410 shot (can use the 410 in the judge as well), .45, and then a longer range rifle which is what I’m considering next.
Can you deer hunt with a rifle in Ohio now? When I lived there I had to hunt with a shotgun.
“A 30-30 is usually a flat nosed or round nosed bullet intended for brush bucking. It has an effective range of 100-150 yds. The 30-30 runs about 1700 to 1850 fps and so sheds its speed quickly.”
Brush bucking is a myth and depending on bullet muzzle velocity of 30-30 is quite a bit higher, about 2250 for a 150 gr and a couple hundred more with hornady Leverluton ammo. Also the Hornady ammo has pointed gummy tips that have high BC so they don’t slow down as fast as the round nosed bullets.
“A 30-30 is usually a flat nosed or round nosed bullet intended for brush bucking. It has an effective range of 100-150 yds. The 30-30 runs about 1700 to 1850 fps and so sheds its speed quickly.”
Brush bucking is a myth and depending on bullet muzzle velocity of 30-30 is quite a bit higher, about 2250 for a 150 gr and a couple hundred more with hornady Leverluton ammo. Also the Hornady ammo has pointed gummy tips that have high BC so they don’t slow down as fast as the round nosed bullets.
“A 30-30 is usually a flat nosed or round nosed bullet intended for brush bucking. It has an effective range of 100-150 yds. The 30-30 runs about 1700 to 1850 fps and so sheds its speed quickly.”
Brush bucking is a myth and depending on bullet muzzle velocity of 30-30 is quite a bit higher, about 2250 for a 150 gr and a couple hundred more with hornady Leverluton ammo. Also the Hornady ammo has pointed gummy tips that have high BC so they don’t slow down as fast as the round nosed bullets.
The .30-30 has ballistics similar to the M43 round used in the AK-47, but normally uses heavier bullets. The .30-40 round was developed about the same time, for the Krag, and has similar ballistics (but uses a really slick bolt action and a 5 round ‘drop in’ magazine, permitting pointed bullets.
The .30/06 has factory rounds from 110 grain to 220 grain, and has been used on everything from prairie dogs to Cape Buffalo. It can be ld oaded from gentle to near magnum. You can even get tracer and armor piercing rounds, depending on our local laws.
The thick rim on the .30-30 makes it easier to accurately head space the round in the chamber, giving you a cheaper route to high accuracy. Reliable feed can be a problem if your magazines let the rims overlap.
Then take the 7.62X54R Russian. Velocity of the .30/06, and cheap head space of a Rimmed round. Alas, tracer and armor piercing rounds are usually illegal. You may have to extend your cheap Mosin-Nagant bayonet to get best accuracy.
How do you intend to use it? If you’re only hunting in the brushy mountains of PA, for instance, the 30-30 is O.K. But the 30-06 is much more versatile.
For brush hunting you can use a heavier projectile which will not be deflected easily in brushy situations. But you can also take it out west, use a lighter bullet and have a flat-shooting weapon for longer distances. Depending on the cartridge you use, the 06 will hunt anything from a grizzly or moose down to a groundhog or prairie dog.
The Chuck Connors “rifleman swing” is a bad idea. The muzzle of the rifle crosses your torso, and an accidental discharge at the wrong time would ruin quite a lot of your days. He could do it only because he had real long arms , and they made sure it was empty when he did it. They dubbed in the sound track of him firing, and you get the sound of 13 rounds firing with him working the action 11 times.
I would go with 308 or 30-06. Savage makes a great sub MOA bolt gun. With decent optics, you can expect excellent results.
Nope that’s why I have the shotgun and a bow. But I want something in case I want to reach out with a little love. Besides I’ve always preferred rifle shooting since I competed in high school on our jrotc team many moons ago.
“Brush bucking is a myth”
Not really. I’m talking about a regular old 30-30 with hardware store 170 grain round nose rounds.
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