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The Basics of War and How the U.S. Went Wrong
Right Side News ^ | 24 September 2012 05 | Thomas Snodgrass

Posted on 09/24/2012 11:24:09 AM PDT by arthurus

n view of the public frustration with a decade of largely unsuccessful U.S. war in Iraq and Afghanistan and the impending cuts to the U.S. military budget, there is an active debate at present as to what military strategy and force structure should be fashioned for the future. Unfortunately, many taxpayers and most politicians are totally illiterate when it comes to the subject of warfare. (Judging from the dismal results in the last ten years, a similar conclusion might to drawn concerning the U.S. officer corps.) In an attempt to fill this critical knowledge void and perhaps raise the level of the on-going national defense dialogue, this essay is offered to provide the lay reader with an awareness of the basics of warfare.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: limitedwar; war; winning
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1 posted on 09/24/2012 11:24:11 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: arthurus
Not sure if they still do, but the Service War Colleges used to teach the principles of Mass.

Deploy adequate forces to defeat the enemy in the shortest period of time, with the least loss of our lives, and the least cost.

But when we skip the Constitutional provisions for a Declaration of War, to be sent up from the Congress to the President and then funding of the war for only 2 years, what should we expect.

The last declared war was WWII. Since then we have engaged in four major conflicts lasting for years, costing multiple billions of dollars and more importantly over 119,000 dead Americans coupled with over 328,000 wounded and the best the results are one draw, one loss, and two where the jury is still out, but looking like losses.

2 posted on 09/24/2012 11:48:47 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: arthurus

This is “THEE” basic of war. You win wars by destroying the enemy totally and not by gaining territory.

Politicians make wining wars impossible.


3 posted on 09/24/2012 11:59:42 AM PDT by crz
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To: arthurus

The powers that be have embarked on a plan to make at least 50% of the military female, and to further dilute it and weaken it by making it a family friendly career for dads and moms, and single moms, in fact a well paid, good benefits, refuge for parents.

This form of military is limited in what it can do, what it can accomplish, even who it can fight, and the length of time that it can survive on the battlefield before crumbling internally.

New limits on our capabilities will shape our foreign policy.


4 posted on 09/24/2012 11:59:59 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: arthurus
most politicians are totally illiterate when it comes to the subject of warfare.

Or economics, health care, job creation, and the Constitution.

5 posted on 09/24/2012 12:02:17 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: arthurus

I have been saying this for the longest time! The American public are NOT long on conflict unless they see the enemy as an imminent threat - WWI/WWII.

Because of this and the US war fighting policies of “limited war,” the US is destined to continue to lose our war-power standing! Don’t get me wrong, China and Russia both know better than to mess with us, but these little piss-ant countries and people (Al Quieda, Venezuela, etc...) know that we are not going to actually invade, destroy all that needs to be destroyed and reside in every town - so they will just piss us off and then wait us out!

We are trying to win wars by using butter and beans (but those are being shipped right out to our enemies as fast as we give them to the towns), when we should be using bullets and bombs (so as to break the enemies’ spirit to fight)!

It is kind of like providing Embassy security without bullets or not using US Marines to guard Ambassadors - we are tying the hands of our military behind their backs and then sending them to war and wondering why we aren’t kicking the crap out of the enemy! FOOLS!


6 posted on 09/24/2012 12:03:53 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ExTxMarine

And then the draft too after we have a formal declaration of war.


7 posted on 09/24/2012 12:10:22 PM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: arthurus

Where we went wrong was electing Obama as Commander in Chief.


8 posted on 09/24/2012 12:14:15 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer

“Where we went wrong was electing Obama as Commander in Chief.”

Where we went wrong was “nation building” and saying it was OK to have a “victory that wasn’t like the one our fathers and grandfathers” achieved in WWII.


9 posted on 09/24/2012 12:28:52 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: arthurus
Unfortunately there is ambiguity in the term "limited war." A war may be limited in geographic area (we didn't attack China during the Korean war). It may be limited in the weapons used (we didn't use nukes in any of our wars since 1945). It may be limited in the objectives (recover captured territory but inflict no further punishment, as the Brits did regarding the Falklands).

The term "limited war" cannot be used without stating just what the limits are. Which in turn means deciding what constitutes "victory." For the Brits, recovering the Falklands was victory. Was pushing the Iraqis out of Kuwait a "victory?" Was destroying the Al Qeda infrastructure in Afghanistan a "victory?" Without deciding ahead of time what our war objectives are, it's impossible to define "victory," and likewise impossible to determine what kind of limits should be accepted in a war.

So long as our leaders don't understand Clausewitz, let alone Sun Tzu, we're going to be mired in no-win wars because we don't know what our objectives are.

10 posted on 09/24/2012 12:44:13 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

-——Was pushing the Iraqis out of Kuwait a “victory?”——

Yes and the objective was defined


11 posted on 09/24/2012 1:17:01 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: ExTxMarine

“unless they see the enemy as an imminent threat - WWI/WWII”

What imminent threat were we under in WWI? So long as you avoided transatlantic ocean liners carrying ammo belowdecks you were fine. Okay, Japan was a threat. Not so much to invade the US, but they did attack us. What about the whole half of the war that was fought in Europe? Where was the threat there?


12 posted on 09/24/2012 1:23:44 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: RFEngineer

Huh? Post-WWII was classic nation building.


13 posted on 09/24/2012 1:29:31 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
What imminent threat were we under in WWI?
Good question - and the answer is that a VERY large portion of the United States were NOT interested in WWI!
However, when Germany tried to enlist Mexico to go to war with the United States, it alerted the American people and started a change in the American thought process! And it showed the American populace that they were not completely out of reach from the war.

What was the European threat during WWII?
After Pearl Harbor was attacked, the United States declared war on Japan. On December 10, Germany declared war on the United States, on December 11, the United States declared war on Germany. I believe the threat from Germany was their expanding European and African foot prints TOPPED by their declaration of war against us.
14 posted on 09/24/2012 1:49:40 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ex-snook
The way to win any war is to be absolute ruthless, well supplied and well manned. Strike with enough force to overwhelm the enemy, and kill everything that moves.
15 posted on 09/24/2012 1:58:33 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Tublecane
Post-WWII was classic nation building.

I think you are mistaking the reasoning behind the initial combat and then the subsequent dividing of the spoils of war.

A portion of the problems facing the world today (heck, ever since WWII) can be attributed to the multitude of mistakes made by ALL parties following WWII.

But, WWII was NOT fought for nation building purposes; it was specifically fought to THWART Germany's and Japan's attempts to EXPAND their national foot prints.

Those who won the war then made many mistakes, but the war itself was NOT one of those mistakes.
16 posted on 09/24/2012 1:59:49 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Tublecane
The Threat was from them being here. We were next after England, or didn't you know.
17 posted on 09/24/2012 2:02:16 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: JoeFromSidney

[[ Unfortunately there is ambiguity in the term “limited war.” ]]

There can be no “limited war” with Islam.

In its quest for world domination, what are -Islam’s- “limits” ??

Where does Islam draw such a line ??


18 posted on 09/24/2012 2:06:44 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: arthurus
Unfortunately, many taxpayers and most politicians are totally illiterate when it comes to the subject of warfare. (Judging from the dismal results in the last ten years, a similar conclusion might to drawn concerning the U.S. officer corps.)

You aren't kidding there. War, or even peacekeeping, has become a jobs program for half the poor countries of the world.

19 posted on 09/24/2012 3:00:14 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: ANGGAPO

“or didn’t you know”

I know people pretend as if that’s so, or used to, but not that they could still say it out loud with a straight face. The Nazis could have conquered Britain if they put their besr efforts to it. Never could they have come over here. But that’s moot point; they didn’t want to. Nor did they want Britain. Whoever told you they did?


20 posted on 09/24/2012 3:10:15 PM PDT by Tublecane
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