WELL JIM, ENJOY THE BED YOU HAVE MADE: Quix's latest Opus Installment

Wellllllll Jim, Enjoy The Bed You’ve Made . SUMMARY: . IN COMPLEX INTERPERSONAL SITUATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS—WHO CAN KNOW WHAT IS “REALLY REAL?” APPEARANCES ARE WHAT IS REAL TO THE OBSERVER CONCERNED. So, in many respects, the REAL might be the opposite of the statements below. However, the statements ARE PERCEIVED TO BE—APPARENTLY REAL ENOUGH for evidently thousands of FREEPERS that only idiots would fail to give such assertions fitting prayerful pondering.

1. Your leadership and leadership culture are consistent with those of a fairly complex person—like many of us.

2. Your leadership and leadership team CAN be quite generous, forgiving, kind, patient, understanding, compassionate, stalwart, tough, durable, endearing, perceptive, sensitive, thoughtful, persistent, occasionally self-effacing, prefer peace and peacableness; . . .

3. Your leadership and leadership team CAN also be quite arrogant, mean-spirited, harsh, abusive, very foul-worded, hypocritical, mercenary, spiteful, !!!CONTROLLING!!!, narrow, rigid, brittle, prickly, vengeful, judgmental, erratic, flip-floppy, irrational, arbitrary, hypocritical, petty, shallow, prefer flailing about in bitter harsh ways . . .

4. Like all of us with such disadmirable traits, such junk MUST come from your early history and less than ideal fathering (or possibly mothering and/or both).

5. For whatever reasons you have failed to work such junk through very far or very thoroughly.

6. Which might be largely neither here nor there in the larger scheme of things—EXCEPT THAT—you HAVE BEEN GIVEN OF GOD an incredible honor, opportunity, calling, gift, mandate—which you have appeared to increasingly squander to alarming degrees on arrogance, greed, foul, petty, dishonorable ugliness and ineffectual chaotic nastiness, conflictedness, unnecessary contentiousness and the like.

7. As I’ve often said—it’s fine with me if FREEPERS make you rich every day. If a million FR users and lurkers wish to give you a dollar or 5 dollars a day or a month the rest of your life—GREAT. FR gives lots of usefulness, pleasure, relationships and community to many thousands of people daily day in and day out; year in and year out.

7.1 Given the importance of the financial aspect to so many people . . . here’s some comments I posted earlier:

7.2 There is FARRRR tooooo little transparency and candor in terms of finances generally and specifically.

7.3 There is FARRR TOOOOOOO much abuse of even long time users and big time donors. What kind of management brilliance does it take to run off for petty shallow reasons folks who donated $2,500 PER FREEPATHON . . . and folks who donated $500 PER FREEPATHON . . . folks who just left in disgust if not hurt and anger over the petty abuse they took (or their friends or people they respected took) for no good reason. There's evidently some sort of spiritual and psychodynamic sickness at the deep root of such nonsense. And it appears to be getting worse instead of better.

7.4 Begging for funds with various kinds of shallow manipulations and funky hogwash could just be harmless fun among friendly family . . . except that . . . those giving such funds faithfully for more than 10 years are NEVER REALLY SECURE in the RELATIONSHIP and not even in being able to enjoy the FR HOME THAT THEY PAID FOR AND HELPED BUILD from virtually the ground up.

7.5 At some point, the arrogant dogmatic !!!CONTROL!!! freaque domineering fist pounding that "IT'S HIS HOUSE!" "IT'S HIS LIVING ROOM!" is outrageous, hypocritical and just plain factual nonsense. It is FREEPERS who have built up the readership of FR. It is FREEPERS' creativity and writing skills and interesting personalities who have build up FR's once great attractiveness to a wider audience.

7.6 Who paid for the carpet? Who paid for the paint? Who paid for the furniture? Who paid for the pics on the wall? Who pays for the electricity? Who pays for the heat and air conditioning? Who pays the insurance? Who pays the other utilities? Who pays for the internet service? Who pays for the gardening? Who pays for the groceries? Who pays for the transportation? Who pays for the "coming soon servers" that never quite seem to arrive?

7.6.2 It appears that with readership down 16-20% over the last 6 months or so . . . an increasing number of people are flushing the 'guest' out of their lives.

7.7 Clearly, it's the FREEPER SHEEPLE who have been paying through the nose in the face of erratic, arbitrary, irrational abuse year in and year out--never knowing when the mean-streak is going to strike out and slap them hard or even ban them--sometimes in the foulest language any "Christian" was ever known to utter or write. And then their EXTENDED FAMILY that has become so dear and precious to them—sometimes their literal life-savers--will be suddenly flushed out of their lives with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.

7.8 It is ACTUALLY ABOUT AS REASONABLE to say that JR and family are the squatters in the FREEPERS' HOME. . . . you know . . . that old founding documents thing . . . OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE?

And even that wouldn’t be soooooo outrageous IF a REPRESENTATIVE sample (REPRESENTATIVE—AS IN “REPUBLIC”!!!) of the FREEPER COMMUNITY had a seat at the table to offer input and advice THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THOUGHTFULLY AND FAIRLY CONSIDERED each quarter. But, NOPE, the fist pounding, insecure, arrogant !!!CONTROL!!! freak domineering junk always rules.

8. HOWEVER, the mean-spirited, arrogant, hypocritical etc. junk has APPEARED to poison your well from the beginning. There have been gross hypocrisies. Early on you were reportedly utterly convinced (with good reason, actually) that Bush was complicit in drug running through Arkansas etc. Yet, fairly early on, you became convinced or persuaded that any discussion of conspiracy stuff on FR had to be forbidden—and mocked as absurdly untrue.

9. You would pontificate at length about maintaining a CONSISTENT stance as a Republic on the unchanging values and foundation of the founding fathers and founding documents. You claimed therewith to be the Premier Conservative website etc. in support thereof. All this was repeatedly stated with great pontifical emotion and fanfare while your leadership and leadership team APPEARED TO BE an erratic, irregular grossly inconsistent, grossly petty, shallow, flip-floppy and often a pathetic chaotic, haphazard, directionless mess.

10. Some folks have documented that few of the political figures you have ended up supporting have won. I don’t know that THAT means a huge lot, given the globalists insuring that the whole SElection/voting mess is 98% farce, charade, futile. However, there’s been a great deal of emotion, energy, expense, time, angst UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WASTED on !!!DEMANDING!!! that loyal FREEPERS support person XYZ and NOT ABC under pain of banning. Only to wake-up the next morning and have to flip-flop with the FR leadership team—too often—seemingly 180 degrees. And to do that with a straight face as though it were rational, made sense and was of benefit to the Republic has been more than a little off the wall and mystifying to thousands of FREEPERS. I don't know where folks were supposed to check their brains and integrity as they complied with the FR Pied Piper in following that nonsense lock-step.

11. You have evidently repeatedly and reportedly from the early years--returned evil for good. That’s been true toward individuals and toward classes and groups of individuals. There’s no excuse for that. None. There’s dozens of ways to avoid that in any kind of disagreement. SOMETIMES it has APPEARED that you and/or your leadership team have gone out of your way to do that—SOMETIMES SEEMINGLY in the meanest, harshest ways handy. Scripture is quite clear about the consequences of that kind of sowing.

12. You can be glibly self-effacing and disarmingly dismissive of the quality of your own Christianity, your leadership, your understanding . . . a list of things in that paragraph that ON THE SURFACE sounded and appeared impressive. Sadly, shortly after, it appeared to be merely propaganda for the FREEPATHON. It became quickly unclear how much of an earnest, heart-felt confession it really was—largely because there was no follow-up fruit of such a confession. It soon rang hollow and a farce. The arrogance, harshness and arbitrary and erratic !!!CONTROL!!! freak stuff quickly returned.

13. You and your leadership team have pontificated, exclaimed and wailed about !!!LOYALTY!!! and !!!BETRAYAL!!! while demonstrating the most petty and absurdly based disloyalty and outrageous betrayal of anyone who was ever a part of FR. You have absolutely no room to talk or complain about either one of those issues. You have merely reaped A PORTION of what you have so chronically, persistently and often mean-spiritedly sown in such regards. And your reaping is far from finished on such scores.

14. You have rightly and honorably claimed Christian values as a hallmark of your personally held priorities as well as FR’s priorities. Sometimes you have followed through—such as with your very admirable and honorable tenacious insistence that prayer threads be allowed in the main NEWS forum. By the same token, you have frequently demonstrated a hideous tendency to lapse into harsh, abusive, foul-mouthed communications publicly and privately—which would make many a sailor blush. None of us is 100% free 100% of the time of 100% of all hypocrisy. However, the frequency and ruthlessness of such foul-mouthed and arbitrary harshness out of clearly a mean-streak is NOT AT ALL a fruit of Holy Spirit. AT some point, perceptive, thinking and discerning folks have to ask themselves: Where is the real JimRob and just how much of an authentic Christian is he? And what game is he REALLY playing for what goal(s)? And doe HE even know or have a clue who he is and what he's about?

15. Many of us have been prayerful and seriously concerned about your health problems for a long time. However, sadly, even there some of us are troubled. Given the relationship between the MIND, BODY AND SPIRIT, one has to wonder if your health would be significantly better if your spiritual health and persistent demonstrations of your spirituality were more consistent with the advertising. In short—mean-spiritedness produces a troublesome harvest in the body, in relationships, in the psyche and certainly in the spirit. At some point, all the prayers in the world will not force a STUBBORN, mean-spirited ARROGANT soul to be better, healthy. As Scripture notes:

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. . . .” I don’t know if the rest of that verse applies to you at present, or not. I know you’re on slippery ground on that score.

16. And IDOLATRY will NOT WORK for anyone—even the king of FR. It doesn’t matter if one nurses one’s own bitterness as idolatry; or if one idolizes one’s country; or one’s own press releases; or one’s FR baby or whatever. Idolatry is a deadly poison.

17. I’ve agonized for many months over how to write the compassionate but stern rebuke I felt pressed so strongly in my spirit to write. People either seem to suck-up to you in fierce psychophant fashion—or to trash you as a minion of satan. I see you more as a typical Attachment Disordered man hung up on some serious spiritual and psychodynamic flaws like most of us in our era. So what. However, to stubbornly cling to one’s arrogance, stubbornness, meanness . . . and to ALLOW, much less seem to exalt in spewing such all over the thousands of folks who give money for your support and the support of your baby . . . that is at best unwise and at worst a pretty hideous example of human excess.

18. I don’t know what God intends to do with you and/or FR. I know you are NOT indispensable. I know that FR will NOT significantly influence the corrupt farce of a November SElection process—if we get that far in any kind of functional shape as a Nation.

19. I know that you have been given a priceless gift and honor of ENORMOUS potential good for the Nation, millions of individuals and the Body of Christ. And you & your leadership team have appeared to squander horrendous chunks of that potential on pettiness, personal pique, arrogance, stubbornness, meanness, willful blindness and willful ignorance. I know that many thousands of people in and out of the Body of Christ who COULD HAVE BEEN FITTINGLY AND USEFULLY WARNED about the spiritual and practical hazards of satanic globalism as well as the fallen angel UFO stuff have not been warned because of y’all’s junk and the junk of the likes of JeanS and Dirtboy and their cadre of harpies. To the degree THAT is true, there will be embarrassing amounts of blood on such hands, come judgment day—unless confession and repentance are heart-felt effected before then—and even then, though it may cover such sins redemptively with Christ’s blood—it will not save thousands who would have otherwise been saved had such a sobering responsibility been carried more fittingly and Biblically earlier.

20. Yet again, as all of us every day—have a choice. You can continue as is most likely—as you have for decades. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And, I am well aware that you have rarely to never demonstrated, to my awareness, the least bit of a constructive response to negative feedback. It’s more likely that such a msg will result in a hardened heart, more arrogance and more stubbornness. That will be however it will be, with the responsibility for individual choices resting with each individual on your leadership team as well as on your supporters.

21. I only know of one priceless brilliant Christian in the upper levels of FR respect, who could likely help pull FR out of such a mess. You know who that is. You probably know they would be highly unlikely to ever say anything—particularly unasked. And, even if asked, they would likely be very sparse with their words—and it would be easy for you to discount, dismiss and ignore their wisdom. They would not push it. Shoot, they likely even would help you circle the wagons unless God made it clear they needed to do otherwise for your spiritual and other health.

22. Time is running out. Your options are shrinking daily in a list of ways as they are for all of us--unless we abide in Christ. I don’t know if Fresno is at a high enough elevation to escape coming traumas for California. I don’t think it is. Besides, the Chinese are not likely to be kind to Californians when they arrive to take possession of so much that they now own. I don’t’ know if HumbleGunner’s place in Texas is far enough from the coast and from Mexico to be wise either. I just know, you and all on the planet need to do MUCH BETTER at getting your spiritual house and your practical house in order--faster.

22. The question was raised in the FREE QUIX thread you closed yesterday about whether I’d like to return to FR. (A) I don’t feel the freedom to do that without your confession, repentance and evidence that you are going to sincerely back such confession and repentance up with “fruit” as the Bible might put it. Confess and repent about what? Whatever of the above that God would confirm as having validity and truth in your life. I suspect hell would freeze over before you’d humble yourself sufficiently to confess and repent. BTW, it needs to be public because your junk was flung about so freely publicly. (B) I don’t feel the freedom to return unless my posting options would cease to be curtailed by mindless, ignorant boundaries. That would include about globalism AS WELL AS the fallen angel UFO topic. I miss the relationship connections but God is God and always will be God and makes even that OK. Besides, folks can find me on this TBL forum.

22.1 Yes, THIS TOO is done as I’d want done toward me IF I’d demonstrated the junk you and your leadership has demonstrated for 11+ years. I’d want someone to care enough to try and starkly but caringly get my attention about such horrors in my life and turf.

23. I do thank you for the years I had on FR of many fulfilling and meaningful exchanges with very interesting people of great diversity but a lot of shared values. May God richly reward you for the humble part I had in all that.

24. I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by God’s Grace, truly get your act together. Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us. Given your evident current bent, I’d much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.

Thanks very much. I do know how and I rarely
go there anymore .. ;)

Just tossing out concerns that have been laying
on my heart for some time that, other than the
prayer threads, how they can and have been an
unnecessary source of bad blood and hostilities,
and just when we so urgently need the glue of
civility, unity and team spirit here and out in
the jungle out there on our side for these
harrowing, worrisome and chaotic days.

It’s only going to get more stressful as the months
get closer to November and beyond, and I think it
would be helpful and positive to not have the
obvious, prickly and predictable avenues for disharmony,
resentment and conflict amongst our ‘family’ here.

I can dream ...

I knew Quix as quixotic, with a curious interest in extraterrestrial apparitions, but to want to staple you to a shrink’s couch? Have some of the ET’s been reading your mind??

Quix must have gone mad, and this over a plain vanilla disagreement over reading the cipher called Mitt Romney.

[I think Mitt really will win this one (and big) not due to FR or well informed Tea Partiers, but due to Barack Obama. Every time that Barack Obama publicly calls Mitt a right wing nut, Mitt just grins. Then when Mitt wins, everybody will see what Mitt Romney will do and no matter what it is, one large group will be telling another large group “I told you so.”]

I don’t post on Romney threads anymore due to the vile language allowed (I’m not voting for Romney). However, there are many other threads that interest me. I come here every day since I live by myself with my Yorkie and she hasn’t learned to speak English words orally yet so FR is important to me. I’ve made some friends here and I contribute a bit to the cause. Jim runs this place and can do whatever he wants.

Those knocking Jim and others on that other site mean nothing, therefore, I suggest no more of their comments be put on FR.

Don’t forget to contribute to FR during this Freepathon.

That he dissents is a mark of his character.

Thank you for your kind words, Drango. Jim and I are seeing the present situation quite differently. That happens. I recognize and acknowledge that it is his prerogative to choose what range of opinions and rhetorical styles he allows on his site. I've never suggested otherwise under any circumstances.

I am a conservative. Jim is a conservative. Part of being a conservative is honoring differences of opinion and recognizing that people of good character and intentions can sometimes disagree.

I will continue to be the best advocate for conservatism that I know how to be. But I will never make derogatory statements about a friend (and I consider both you and Jim friends), and I least of all would never criticize anyone in any sort of underhanded, backstabbing way, such as doing so on another site. Whatever I have said or will say about FR or anyone here, has been and will continue to be posted on this site.

I have been very critical of the character of some of the most vociferous anti-Romney posters here on FR. This "TBL" nonsense (whatever it is, I still haven't gone over to any other site to research this) tells me that I have very likely estimated at least one of these jokers accurately.

You’re right, Jim. It was MadIvan’s site, and howlin had nothing to do with starting it. It blew apart four times that I know about, because I was there for the first three. The first was the banning of Rudy-bots....LOL. Ivan endorsed McCain and picked Sarah Palin long before pundits or McCain. I know of three spin-off’s still remaining, but I don’t think the Elephant Graveyard is one of the three, unless it’s the name of howlin’s private site. I don’t recall the names of the other two, but pookie18 links his cartoons to both.

While I was there, bashing or even posting negative about you was not permitted, and that rule was strictly enforced by Ivan himself.

“IF” memory serves, WA kept changing its format, crashing and eventually just vanished.

Beyond reprehensible and hateful!

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JimRob.. vicious, evil venom. I would’ve never predicted my sincere post would elicit that awful blast.

And I just finished posting to the Religion Mod: that the avenue for disharmony resides in the subject generally and I feel it’s predictable and unnecessary in these times, and here it is, in full blown, scathing hatefulness.

I don’t think I’ve even ever had a substantive exchange with Star Traveler, but he/she finds it’s acceptable to boldly attack my faith and speak to me like this here? And he/she’s apparently a disciple and cohort of this ‘prophet’ Quix?

This is very bad, beyond offensive or acceptable, Jim .. Why would you want even the hint of this kind of sickening content in any thread on the premier conservative site on the web?

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“SO ... if you perceived Quix as thinking that way - you’re probably very right - but so do I think that way, too ... and when it comes down to the end times when Jesus comes again - the Catholic Church and it’s evil doctrines are going to end up in the Pit of Hell and nowhere else.

Now ... THAT ... is not just the consideration of a few people (whom others may like to label as disturbed or hateful) - but it’s also “Bible teaching” that you’ll get from some of the best and most respected Bible teachers in America, who lead many to Christ. This is not some crazy or minority position but is pretty much the teaching of many in Evangelical Christianity.

Someone holding to that view - is in VERY GOOD COMPANY with a whole lot of other Christians who take the Bible at its word - and not some other writings coming from a corrupt and evil church.

[And I suppose that what I’m saying is what you would be talking about - not wishing it was on Free Republic any more. However, this is the exact nature of what someone is going to get - if - one gets into Christianity and especially the Christianity of the Bible - straight from God’s Word, itself. Jesus himself was not very friendly to the evil-doers who MISLED other people, just like Catholic Priests of today do with the people. And we don’t have to be mean to other people - on a personal level - but when it comes to Biblical doctrine and pointing out what “doctrines” are from the DEVIL HIMSELF and from the Pit of Hell ... there can be no compromising on that, which is why you get people who will “call out” the Catholic Church as an evil institution and due to be utterly destroyed by Jesus Christ when He comes again.]”

What you smell is an FR hate club. But don’t despair, you’re headed down that path yourself. I’ve seen it happen many times. You will continue “critiquing” FR and telling us with every post how low we’re sinking. Then you’ll start slamming any pro-life FReeper who dares defend their conservative positions. You’ll attack them and call them Obama supporters or Mitt-Haters, etc, and it’ll continue going downhill from there until eventually there’s no choice but to part company. Then you’ll blame me for turning on you after you “invested” 10-15 years on FR and off to the anti-freeper site of the day you’ll scoot. It’s the same story everytime that I don’t bend to someone’s will or meet their ultimatums. Just like millions of other pro-life, small government grassroots conservatives, I will not support an abortionist/homosexualist statist for the presidency under any circumstances whatsoever, and that really gets your goat. Don’t look now but your posts are really hostile and bitter against me and FR and are getting more so each day. I barely recognize the old yam anymore. But of course, you’ll say the same thing about me. Pro-Life, pro-family, small government grassroots conservatism vs big tent True Blue RINOism. It’s like oil and water.

.I know Quix as well as my self believe the REAL FIGHT is found in scripture during these last days: Ephesians 6:12...for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Saying what one believes and doing it is two different things. He specifically named names and directed his freep to Jim. And used manipulation to instill fear to where he lives. Fear and manipulation are tools of satan and has NO business speaking about God under those circumstances.

He is rebelling against authority when he was free to just leave but he kept doing what he wanted to under someone's else's roof. One could 'act' humble but the fruit is in the doing. He has shown anything but humbleness. He chose the rebels way, the destructive way and then accuses Jim of rebellion for not getting his way - how's that for projection?

for the Coming of our LORD.

Will He find faithful or fearful?

The faithful - Those who BELIEVE HIM - Jesus said, don't fear, only believe.

Or the fearful - spreading fear through manipulation because they don't believe JESUS.

Quix likes to be liked and a cult setting fits him perfectly. And opposes those who don't see things his way - and name calls and mocks them. Always whining how some don't understand him.

There IS NOTHING Godly in Quix - how could there be with his spreading of fear through manipulation - doing satan's work.

Jesus says 'Fear Not, Only Believe' and Quix says fear the chinese, fear the rising tide, fear the fault, fear the NWO, fear the UFO, fear Newt, fear Sarah - while embracing evil mitt because of his fear. Christians hear and obey JESUS and Quix just uses God's name for some kind of credibility while supporting a cult leader who initiated same sex marriage and baby killing and trashes JIM for not bowing to evil. If you notice he is big into labeling people - his psych training to pigeon hole them that so when his evilness rises he can dissect them wrongly for his own agenda. Nothing about Jesus in that! He can quote Scripture but bowing to evil shows he doesn't BELIEVE it.

We know the end times brings many to fall away because they weren't grounded in faith but fear. I'll chalk Quix up to an end time casualty - all of his own doing because he lived fear and spread fear. He heard but didn't do.

So his angst within causes him to lash out at Jim and others. His using of God's name while doing this is a no-no but he doesn't give a flip - he will continue to do what he wants, where ever he wants, to whomever he wants.

Rebellious spirit!

there are still many people who are lost and suffering who need the comfort and the Gospel in these trying days....

RIGHT!! And the NWO is NOT The Gospel - Quix is a hearer but NOT a doer. He does the opposite, after all, he claims God told him to do it. While we know God does not go against HIS Word but Quix (who does whatever he pleases) will.

Hi Marcella!

SO GOOD to see you!!! Thank you for your prayers for my grandson. He’s a walking, talking miracle and he’s been cleared to fly with his Mom to come visit me this month! I’m forever thankful to God and y’all for your prayers!

I’m right there with you regarding the Romney threads. I’m here to make more FRiends, not enemies, nor to get into disputes with FReepers I love over the likes of Romney. It’s fine with me for my FRiends to vote their own consciences, because I know every one of them are prayerful.

God bless and keep you and thank you for reminding everyone to donate! Free Republic is here to stay!

Like Jim says he can see November from his house, I can see November from my house too! Can you?

God bless and keep you too, dearest Jim, TOL, and CatherineofAragon

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