I'm a day late but your Variety spoof had me chuckling out loud. The best I can do in return is rip off a few of the classics from the New York Post.
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Posted on 07/04/2012 1:16:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Wellllllll Jim, Enjoy The Bed You’ve Made . SUMMARY: . IN COMPLEX INTERPERSONAL SITUATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS—WHO CAN KNOW WHAT IS “REALLY REAL?” APPEARANCES ARE WHAT IS REAL TO THE OBSERVER CONCERNED. So, in many respects, the REAL might be the opposite of the statements below. However, the statements ARE PERCEIVED TO BE—APPARENTLY REAL ENOUGH for evidently thousands of FREEPERS that only idiots would fail to give such assertions fitting prayerful pondering.
1. Your leadership and leadership culture are consistent with those of a fairly complex person—like many of us.
2. Your leadership and leadership team CAN be quite generous, forgiving, kind, patient, understanding, compassionate, stalwart, tough, durable, endearing, perceptive, sensitive, thoughtful, persistent, occasionally self-effacing, prefer peace and peacableness; . . .
3. Your leadership and leadership team CAN also be quite arrogant, mean-spirited, harsh, abusive, very foul-worded, hypocritical, mercenary, spiteful, !!!CONTROLLING!!!, narrow, rigid, brittle, prickly, vengeful, judgmental, erratic, flip-floppy, irrational, arbitrary, hypocritical, petty, shallow, prefer flailing about in bitter harsh ways . . .
4. Like all of us with such disadmirable traits, such junk MUST come from your early history and less than ideal fathering (or possibly mothering and/or both).
5. For whatever reasons you have failed to work such junk through very far or very thoroughly.
6. Which might be largely neither here nor there in the larger scheme of things—EXCEPT THAT—you HAVE BEEN GIVEN OF GOD an incredible honor, opportunity, calling, gift, mandate—which you have appeared to increasingly squander to alarming degrees on arrogance, greed, foul, petty, dishonorable ugliness and ineffectual chaotic nastiness, conflictedness, unnecessary contentiousness and the like.
7. As I’ve often said—it’s fine with me if FREEPERS make you rich every day. If a million FR users and lurkers wish to give you a dollar or 5 dollars a day or a month the rest of your life—GREAT. FR gives lots of usefulness, pleasure, relationships and community to many thousands of people daily day in and day out; year in and year out.
7.1 Given the importance of the financial aspect to so many people . . . here’s some comments I posted earlier:
7.2 There is FARRRR tooooo little transparency and candor in terms of finances generally and specifically.
7.3 There is FARRR TOOOOOOO much abuse of even long time users and big time donors. What kind of management brilliance does it take to run off for petty shallow reasons folks who donated $2,500 PER FREEPATHON . . . and folks who donated $500 PER FREEPATHON . . . folks who just left in disgust if not hurt and anger over the petty abuse they took (or their friends or people they respected took) for no good reason. There's evidently some sort of spiritual and psychodynamic sickness at the deep root of such nonsense. And it appears to be getting worse instead of better.
7.4 Begging for funds with various kinds of shallow manipulations and funky hogwash could just be harmless fun among friendly family . . . except that . . . those giving such funds faithfully for more than 10 years are NEVER REALLY SECURE in the RELATIONSHIP and not even in being able to enjoy the FR HOME THAT THEY PAID FOR AND HELPED BUILD from virtually the ground up.
7.5 At some point, the arrogant dogmatic !!!CONTROL!!! freaque domineering fist pounding that "IT'S HIS HOUSE!" "IT'S HIS LIVING ROOM!" is outrageous, hypocritical and just plain factual nonsense. It is FREEPERS who have built up the readership of FR. It is FREEPERS' creativity and writing skills and interesting personalities who have build up FR's once great attractiveness to a wider audience.
7.6 Who paid for the carpet? Who paid for the paint? Who paid for the furniture? Who paid for the pics on the wall? Who pays for the electricity? Who pays for the heat and air conditioning? Who pays the insurance? Who pays the other utilities? Who pays for the internet service? Who pays for the gardening? Who pays for the groceries? Who pays for the transportation? Who pays for the "coming soon servers" that never quite seem to arrive?
7.6.1 Just who is the guest of whom?
7.6.2 It appears that with readership down 16-20% over the last 6 months or so . . . an increasing number of people are flushing the 'guest' out of their lives.
7.7 Clearly, it's the FREEPER SHEEPLE who have been paying through the nose in the face of erratic, arbitrary, irrational abuse year in and year out--never knowing when the mean-streak is going to strike out and slap them hard or even ban them--sometimes in the foulest language any "Christian" was ever known to utter or write. And then their EXTENDED FAMILY that has become so dear and precious to them—sometimes their literal life-savers--will be suddenly flushed out of their lives with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.
7.8 It is ACTUALLY ABOUT AS REASONABLE to say that JR and family are the squatters in the FREEPERS' HOME. . . . you know . . . that old founding documents thing . . . OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE?
And even that wouldn’t be soooooo outrageous IF a REPRESENTATIVE sample (REPRESENTATIVE—AS IN “REPUBLIC”!!!) of the FREEPER COMMUNITY had a seat at the table to offer input and advice THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THOUGHTFULLY AND FAIRLY CONSIDERED each quarter. But, NOPE, the fist pounding, insecure, arrogant !!!CONTROL!!! freak domineering junk always rules.
8. HOWEVER, the mean-spirited, arrogant, hypocritical etc. junk has APPEARED to poison your well from the beginning. There have been gross hypocrisies. Early on you were reportedly utterly convinced (with good reason, actually) that Bush was complicit in drug running through Arkansas etc. Yet, fairly early on, you became convinced or persuaded that any discussion of conspiracy stuff on FR had to be forbidden—and mocked as absurdly untrue.
9. You would pontificate at length about maintaining a CONSISTENT stance as a Republic on the unchanging values and foundation of the founding fathers and founding documents. You claimed therewith to be the Premier Conservative website etc. in support thereof. All this was repeatedly stated with great pontifical emotion and fanfare while your leadership and leadership team APPEARED TO BE an erratic, irregular grossly inconsistent, grossly petty, shallow, flip-floppy and often a pathetic chaotic, haphazard, directionless mess.
10. Some folks have documented that few of the political figures you have ended up supporting have won. I don’t know that THAT means a huge lot, given the globalists insuring that the whole SElection/voting mess is 98% farce, charade, futile. However, there’s been a great deal of emotion, energy, expense, time, angst UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WASTED on !!!DEMANDING!!! that loyal FREEPERS support person XYZ and NOT ABC under pain of banning. Only to wake-up the next morning and have to flip-flop with the FR leadership team—too often—seemingly 180 degrees. And to do that with a straight face as though it were rational, made sense and was of benefit to the Republic has been more than a little off the wall and mystifying to thousands of FREEPERS. I don't know where folks were supposed to check their brains and integrity as they complied with the FR Pied Piper in following that nonsense lock-step.
11. You have evidently repeatedly and reportedly from the early years--returned evil for good. That’s been true toward individuals and toward classes and groups of individuals. There’s no excuse for that. None. There’s dozens of ways to avoid that in any kind of disagreement. SOMETIMES it has APPEARED that you and/or your leadership team have gone out of your way to do that—SOMETIMES SEEMINGLY in the meanest, harshest ways handy. Scripture is quite clear about the consequences of that kind of sowing.
12. You can be glibly self-effacing and disarmingly dismissive of the quality of your own Christianity, your leadership, your understanding . . . a list of things in that paragraph that ON THE SURFACE sounded and appeared impressive. Sadly, shortly after, it appeared to be merely propaganda for the FREEPATHON. It became quickly unclear how much of an earnest, heart-felt confession it really was—largely because there was no follow-up fruit of such a confession. It soon rang hollow and a farce. The arrogance, harshness and arbitrary and erratic !!!CONTROL!!! freak stuff quickly returned.
13. You and your leadership team have pontificated, exclaimed and wailed about !!!LOYALTY!!! and !!!BETRAYAL!!! while demonstrating the most petty and absurdly based disloyalty and outrageous betrayal of anyone who was ever a part of FR. You have absolutely no room to talk or complain about either one of those issues. You have merely reaped A PORTION of what you have so chronically, persistently and often mean-spiritedly sown in such regards. And your reaping is far from finished on such scores.
14. You have rightly and honorably claimed Christian values as a hallmark of your personally held priorities as well as FR’s priorities. Sometimes you have followed through—such as with your very admirable and honorable tenacious insistence that prayer threads be allowed in the main NEWS forum. By the same token, you have frequently demonstrated a hideous tendency to lapse into harsh, abusive, foul-mouthed communications publicly and privately—which would make many a sailor blush. None of us is 100% free 100% of the time of 100% of all hypocrisy. However, the frequency and ruthlessness of such foul-mouthed and arbitrary harshness out of clearly a mean-streak is NOT AT ALL a fruit of Holy Spirit. AT some point, perceptive, thinking and discerning folks have to ask themselves: Where is the real JimRob and just how much of an authentic Christian is he? And what game is he REALLY playing for what goal(s)? And doe HE even know or have a clue who he is and what he's about?
15. Many of us have been prayerful and seriously concerned about your health problems for a long time. However, sadly, even there some of us are troubled. Given the relationship between the MIND, BODY AND SPIRIT, one has to wonder if your health would be significantly better if your spiritual health and persistent demonstrations of your spirituality were more consistent with the advertising. In short—mean-spiritedness produces a troublesome harvest in the body, in relationships, in the psyche and certainly in the spirit. At some point, all the prayers in the world will not force a STUBBORN, mean-spirited ARROGANT soul to be better, healthy. As Scripture notes:
1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. . . .” I don’t know if the rest of that verse applies to you at present, or not. I know you’re on slippery ground on that score.
16. And IDOLATRY will NOT WORK for anyone—even the king of FR. It doesn’t matter if one nurses one’s own bitterness as idolatry; or if one idolizes one’s country; or one’s own press releases; or one’s FR baby or whatever. Idolatry is a deadly poison.
17. I’ve agonized for many months over how to write the compassionate but stern rebuke I felt pressed so strongly in my spirit to write. People either seem to suck-up to you in fierce psychophant fashion—or to trash you as a minion of satan. I see you more as a typical Attachment Disordered man hung up on some serious spiritual and psychodynamic flaws like most of us in our era. So what. However, to stubbornly cling to one’s arrogance, stubbornness, meanness . . . and to ALLOW, much less seem to exalt in spewing such all over the thousands of folks who give money for your support and the support of your baby . . . that is at best unwise and at worst a pretty hideous example of human excess.
18. I don’t know what God intends to do with you and/or FR. I know you are NOT indispensable. I know that FR will NOT significantly influence the corrupt farce of a November SElection process—if we get that far in any kind of functional shape as a Nation.
19. I know that you have been given a priceless gift and honor of ENORMOUS potential good for the Nation, millions of individuals and the Body of Christ. And you & your leadership team have appeared to squander horrendous chunks of that potential on pettiness, personal pique, arrogance, stubbornness, meanness, willful blindness and willful ignorance. I know that many thousands of people in and out of the Body of Christ who COULD HAVE BEEN FITTINGLY AND USEFULLY WARNED about the spiritual and practical hazards of satanic globalism as well as the fallen angel UFO stuff have not been warned because of y’all’s junk and the junk of the likes of JeanS and Dirtboy and their cadre of harpies. To the degree THAT is true, there will be embarrassing amounts of blood on such hands, come judgment day—unless confession and repentance are heart-felt effected before then—and even then, though it may cover such sins redemptively with Christ’s blood—it will not save thousands who would have otherwise been saved had such a sobering responsibility been carried more fittingly and Biblically earlier.
20. Yet again, as all of us every day—have a choice. You can continue as is most likely—as you have for decades. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And, I am well aware that you have rarely to never demonstrated, to my awareness, the least bit of a constructive response to negative feedback. It’s more likely that such a msg will result in a hardened heart, more arrogance and more stubbornness. That will be however it will be, with the responsibility for individual choices resting with each individual on your leadership team as well as on your supporters.
21. I only know of one priceless brilliant Christian in the upper levels of FR respect, who could likely help pull FR out of such a mess. You know who that is. You probably know they would be highly unlikely to ever say anything—particularly unasked. And, even if asked, they would likely be very sparse with their words—and it would be easy for you to discount, dismiss and ignore their wisdom. They would not push it. Shoot, they likely even would help you circle the wagons unless God made it clear they needed to do otherwise for your spiritual and other health.
22. Time is running out. Your options are shrinking daily in a list of ways as they are for all of us--unless we abide in Christ. I don’t know if Fresno is at a high enough elevation to escape coming traumas for California. I don’t think it is. Besides, the Chinese are not likely to be kind to Californians when they arrive to take possession of so much that they now own. I don’t’ know if HumbleGunner’s place in Texas is far enough from the coast and from Mexico to be wise either. I just know, you and all on the planet need to do MUCH BETTER at getting your spiritual house and your practical house in order--faster.
22. The question was raised in the FREE QUIX thread you closed yesterday about whether I’d like to return to FR. (A) I don’t feel the freedom to do that without your confession, repentance and evidence that you are going to sincerely back such confession and repentance up with “fruit” as the Bible might put it. Confess and repent about what? Whatever of the above that God would confirm as having validity and truth in your life. I suspect hell would freeze over before you’d humble yourself sufficiently to confess and repent. BTW, it needs to be public because your junk was flung about so freely publicly. (B) I don’t feel the freedom to return unless my posting options would cease to be curtailed by mindless, ignorant boundaries. That would include about globalism AS WELL AS the fallen angel UFO topic. I miss the relationship connections but God is God and always will be God and makes even that OK. Besides, folks can find me on this TBL forum.
22.1 Yes, THIS TOO is done as I’d want done toward me IF I’d demonstrated the junk you and your leadership has demonstrated for 11+ years. I’d want someone to care enough to try and starkly but caringly get my attention about such horrors in my life and turf.
23. I do thank you for the years I had on FR of many fulfilling and meaningful exchanges with very interesting people of great diversity but a lot of shared values. May God richly reward you for the humble part I had in all that.
24. I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by God’s Grace, truly get your act together. Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us. Given your evident current bent, I’d much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.
« Last Edit: Today at 12:43:06 PM by Quix »
Never said you were.
But I do note that your actions in this thread do parallel theirs.
Now, if you are lying about never being there and you get caught out there....
Well, don’t shriek about it if that is the case.
Jim’s email addy is on FR’s front page.
Season 7, Disc 2. Got it. Made me happy you did the legwork. She and I remember the episode well, indeed. 8>)
I seriously doubt that Quix was someone who would vote for Romney. And beside the political basis - I would say that on religious grounds, too - since Romney is a member of a CULT GROUP and I’m pretty sure that Quix would not vote for a CULT MEMBER as President of the United States of America.
And likewise for me ... I see a lot of good political reasons for not voting for him, the big ones being abortion and Obamacare (as I think was already mentioned here). But, there is also the reason — that — I would NOT vote for a CULT MEMBER as President of the United States of America.
It’s bad enough having such an anti-Christian as Obama in office (and that’s refraining from talking about the political items). And he sure is one - so antagonistic to Christianity, while pretending, at the same time, to be one!
He basically doesn’t know anything about Christianity (or rather absolutely hates it) - according to the way he talks about dedicated and faithful Christians.
Likewise, if we got a CULT GROUP MEMBER in office as President, he’s liable to try to RAM THROUGH MULTIPLE MARRIAGES for men - on top of all his other bad policies - and allow his CULT GROUP to have multiple wives - to get back at the United States for forcing them to abandon their multiple wives doctrine!
NO ... you don’t want a CULT GROUP MEMEBER as Prresident of the United States (and like I said - besides his bad political stance).
Dj,O .. thanks so much for your supportive thoughts and comments. It was very stunning and revolting to me personally to see those brazen comments Star Traveler posted to me last night, free of any self-censoring, common courtesy, basic civility or discretion, and he’s still pronouncing the same mantras and scripts he/she is so SURE he/she KNOWS with absolute certainty.
That’s why my very, very sincere request today is that the management consider removing those religious debate threads in the interests of good will and the good of the whole community. They obviously serve as a divisive and destructive influence, and have become an actual source of much unnecessary interpersonal forum turmoil, as amply shown.
And I’ve and I’m sure many others have seen the carryover negativity elsewhere outside those threads with personal grudges, anger, personal attacks, hard feelings, etc. We have enough to discuss and worry about, don’t we?
I have enough years on this earth, crisis-scarred faith, dozens of life experiences and knowledge of God’s Holy Word to know that the Almighty has made it clear that all knowledge in all things was never ours to know, it is His domain exclusively, no matter what imperfect humans believe and may spout that they know with utter certainty..
StarTraveler .. this is what your last post sounds like:
“I do not support the war, but of course I support the troops.”
Disingenuous, feckless, parroting a well-memorized script, obedient puppetry, empty of genuine substance or feeling.
You’ve been well programmed.
I’ll not be requesting any judgements or memorizations on such matters from you, but God bless you and God bless us all.
Yikes! Forgot Jim really is handicapped. Just nevermind then.
You won’t find my name over there ... :-)
But, it might be interesting to go over there and talk to some of those people to find out what’s going on in their minds. However, I usually have only enough time for Free Republic - and even that has been extremely limited recently. I’ve only started posting here again, more consistently in the last days-weeks ... and that’s it.
I’ve been busy with a Geert Wilders page over on Facebook and fighting against Muslims and Islam and Sharia Law over there ... :-)
I might mention that I did frequent the Religious Forum quite a bit and also had a “caucus” over there for one of the religious topics. As I said earlier - I really did appreciate the way they set up the Guidelines over there and kept things on track for arguing about doctrines and teachings and institutions and organizations - but not attacking the people directly who were talking about that. I think that’s the way to go.
The spew wasn't Scripture but man-inspired.
And you're absolutely correct that it sounded scripted. That's why the direct Word of God was never used, it doesn't support the vitriol. Sad.
I'm a day late but your Variety spoof had me chuckling out loud. The best I can do in return is rip off a few of the classics from the New York Post.
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What you do find are cowardly people there who hide who they are behind childish and infantile handles.
And they absolutely obsess about FReepers.
It is interesting in the pathology of the thing.
I encounter this kind of MISUNDERSTANDING quite frequently on another topic that I deal with.
I handle a forum for Geert Wilders and we argue against POLITICAL ISLAM and that totalitarian, oppressive, evil, wicked, backward, retarded, violent and and extremely murderous IDEOLOGY of Islam and Sharia Law. It’s probably the most EVIL and ABSOLUTELY WICKED IDEOLOGY that exists on the face of this earth.
BUT ... what a lot of people “hear” when that is said - is that “You hate Muslims!”
Well, that’s not true. In fact, Geert Wilders states very emphatically and constantly that he has nothing against Muslims, does not hate them, and actually believes that the MAJORITY of Muslims are peaceful and law-abiding.
However, the IDEOLOGY itself and its teachings as comes from these ISLAMISTS and JIHADISTS are absolutely wicked, evil, retarded, backward, woman-hating, Jew-hating, oppressive of all rights - and belongs nowhere in the world of today!
BUT STILL ... people say if you’re against an IDEOLOGY (whatever the teachings and doctrines are) that you are a HATER of people and thus you are committing a “hate crime” of sorts - you must hate Muslims.
WELL ... the exact same thing applies to other religions and not just Islam. You don’t have to hate Muslims and make them your enemy - if you are against the IDEOLOGY that the Islamists and Jihadists perpetrate. Not at all.
And likewise, here - one doesn’t have to be against you or others - personally - to be EXTREMELY CRITICAL of an IDEOLOGY and a set of teachings and doctrines ... you see.
Anyway - what I’m pointing out is THAT is precisely the “modus operandi” of the Liberals and Multi-culturalists ... when they try to shut up people on criticizing Islam and Sharia Law. They make it out to be “hating people” - and that’s not true!
Can you point out to us when the last time a sitting President lost a primary?
And, if Romney is as bad as Obama, things WILL be worse. Why? Because the party in the White House is blamed when things go bad. That means Republicans will be losing seats under Romney in Congress and at the state level. If Obama is a disaster, Republicans will continue to gain seats in both Congress and at the state level.
My strategy is to support the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning in every race always
How did that strategy play out with the Bushes? Did the country move to the left under both? The lesser of two evils strategy simply continues to move the nation to the left. Liberal ("moderate") Republicans advance liberalism, not conservatism.
The way to deal with RINOs is to replace them with conservatives whenever you can.
You never have the guts to hold Republicans feet to the fire. You'll vote for anyone the Republicans put up.
The list is about knowing how many of us there really are as opposed to how many it looks like there are. And people who know me via FR know they can trust me when I say, "Hey, there are 180 of us or damned close." If some folks don't believe me, that's their problem. But I know how heartening it is to be able to tell FRiends, "Hey, there's not just a handful of us, there's 15 dozen of us at least." It's good for morale, especially becaue it's true.
I'll take you off the list when I read you say you're planning to hold your nose and vote for Coke in order to get rid of Pepsi, or the equivalent.
Yours was one of the first names on the list, and it doesn't even have a question mark behind it, so reading your post just now gave me a bit of a fright.
But: So, I have been un-thrilled with Republican party Presidential candidates for most of my voting life but I've gone along with the flow...until now, posted by you a little more than a week ago, and this ...
I also will be voting for many Republicans this November. But a few of us on this forum, including the owner/operator, find more than enough faults with the apparent Republican nominee and are constrained to vote for someone other than this (pre-selected) nominee.
... which you wrote not even two weeks ago.
The list remains at 180.
I'd love to know what the plaque outside your church says. What brand of Christianity are you espousing?
Well, thanks, I guess. It’s good for MY morale to learn there are more than five or ten of us. But could you write my name in some sort of code? In case your list gets lost or captured.
if one wanted to continue a religious discussion (and it looked like it was turning into a discussion by then) - the place to do it is in the religious forum.
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Really? Then why did you feel you could inject such things on Quix’s opus thread posted by the site owner? Not much contradiction or hypocrisy at all ... /S
WOW. You must be shaking in your boots. /s/
I see they are up to 475 now, last month 418. Just think at this rate in ten years they’ll have 1/10 as many members as FR does today.
In reviewing your posts earlier today, I saw that you’ve said you refuse to vote for Romney, so added your name. Quix I vetted way back when I started it, and in reading back-posts (skimming them, actually, as one is wont to do with Quix’s novelas! ;^), while I found lots of posts where it’s clear he doesn’t like Romney, I found zilch to confirm or really even to imply that he would refuse to vote for him. So Quix was never on the list, though I’d love to put him on it because Q is the ONLY letter in the alphabet on this alphabetized list that isn’t represented!
Might I suggest that since you use the '?' notation for those who may still be questionable, one might also use an '!' for those who are definitively adamant - In which case, my handle on your list should look something like this:
!!!roamer_1!!! (!!!!!!!)
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