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Joe's Healthcare
vanity | 7/2/2012 | MrChips

Posted on 07/01/2012 9:32:48 PM PDT by MrChips

The recent healthcare decision affects us all in different ways. But, let’s consider a very real person named Joe. Now, Joe is a nice fellow who lost his job during this recession and now works two jobs rather than rely on welfare. Joe is also a heart patient, and he does have limited but affordable catastrophic insurance. He hears on television that Obamacare will require him to buy a comprehensive policy that costs almost three times what he is paying now (source: Price Waterhouse), and that his much less expensive catastrophic insurance will be outlawed. Everyone must be the same. Joe works hard at his two jobs, and his salary is just enough to pay his mortgage, put food on the table, and purchase gas for his car, but it is too high for him to qualify for government subsidies under Obamacare. He cannot afford this new insurance, but Joe hears Democrats on television telling him that he is “selfish” and a “free-rider” if he does not buy insurance because clearly, in their arrogant presumption, “he can afford it.” He must pay a tax-penalty, one that will rise from 1% of his income to 2.5% over three years. These Democrats have no idea how hard he has worked all his life to have a home, how much his mortgage payment is, or anything else about his life. They just blindly assume that he can afford their expensive new insurance, a form of insurance that covers Joe for pregnancy, birth-control pills, and pediatric services, none of which he will ever need. Then Joe hears that even if he were to buy this new insurance, he will not be able to deduct it as medical expense on his tax return, as he usually does, because under Obamacare the income threshold for medical deductions has been raised from 7.5% to 10%, a very difficult level to reach. This will cost Joe about $2,000 on top of the $1,000 (or more) tax-penalty he will have to pay if he does not buy insurance. Joe then learns that some woman named Kathleen Sibelius has added an abortion-services surcharge to every month’s premium. Joe is a pro-life Catholic. In the end, it seems, this new insurance will require him to sell his home and to violate his conscience. Joe does not buy this expensive new insurance and lives without any insurance at all, having lost the insurance he once had. Joe decides to vote Republican.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obamacare; vanity
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1 posted on 07/01/2012 9:32:54 PM PDT by MrChips
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To: MrChips
One of the questions that needs to be asked is how much Joe makes with his two jobs.

If he is in a lower income bracket, he is going to get a huge subsidy for his insurance. I know these amounts mean more to people who make less money, but a family of 4 making $40k is only going to pay something like $1500 a year for full coverage.

The butt kicker is the family of four that makes $90k a year and used to pay $400-600 a month for employer based coverage. When their employer(s) dumps them because the penalty is only $2500 an employee, they end up having to buy their insurance all on their own. Paying an extra $800 a month for me would mean having to forego 401k inputs and that summer vacation I like to take the kids on. With the sliding subsidy scale and tax for not enrolling they will build a system where it doesn't pay to make any extra money between $50k and $120k because it will all go into medical care and taxes.

Obamacare is all about solidifying the poor and lower middle class into a permanent voting block for the democrats, and destroying the current healthcare system. The ultimate goal is for Obamacare to fail to the point where the only solution will be a redistributive single payer system.

2 posted on 07/01/2012 9:47:38 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MrChips

I like it. Could we get a version with citations to the exact points in the law? With cites, it would be a handy persuasive tool for handing out to the benighted public.

Thanks for the post!


3 posted on 07/01/2012 9:48:59 PM PDT by Jagermonster (TANSTAAFL)
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And the actual healthcare quality itself will go down while the cost will go up and soon this social medicine will be mostly in name only as they will require you to pay more and more of your own medical costs.

This system of healthcare is already a proven failure,


4 posted on 07/01/2012 9:49:35 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: USNBandit

Joe is single and makes about $45,000. He does not qualify for subsidies. But, he makes far less than before he lost his job and is saddled with a large mortgage and other expenses. He does not have $500/month lying around to buy insurance.


5 posted on 07/01/2012 9:56:34 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: USNBandit

Joe is single and makes about $45,000. He does not qualify for subsidies. But, he makes far less than before he lost his job and is saddled with a large mortgage and other expenses. He does not have $500/month lying around to buy insurance.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 9:57:36 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Jagermonster

Feel free to use it.


7 posted on 07/01/2012 9:58:46 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Joe is screwed.


8 posted on 07/01/2012 10:04:11 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit; MrChips; Jagermonster
Saw this today


9 posted on 07/01/2012 10:05:34 PM PDT by Baynative (A man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for others)
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To: USNBandit

Yes, I am.


10 posted on 07/01/2012 10:08:22 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

Joe goes Galt, tells the Feds to piss up a rope, joins a militia with his family and fights to return America to what is right.

Or the Feds penalize Joe, he gets overly despondent and eats a bullet.

Or Joe happens to know how to fly and takes an aircraft on a one way mission...

Of which has actually happened.

So I beg to argue, what should all of our Joes need to do?

I have a son named Joe and he knows what MUST be done.


11 posted on 07/01/2012 10:12:06 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
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To: Baynative

Yes, but catastrophic-only plans were also available at a minimal cost. And the penalty assessment in Kaiser’s numbers do not square with the subsidy eligibility. It makes no sense not to be penalized when not also eligible.


12 posted on 07/01/2012 10:16:29 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Baynative
Also, BRONZE coverage only covers 60% costs, unlike the 80/20 policies typical today.

But, the whole point about Joe is that it is arrogant to assume what he can and cannot afford. Joe should be the one who decides that, not government.

13 posted on 07/01/2012 10:21:06 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Baynative

Again I see the term “Bronze Level” which I take to be the lowest level of coverage available. We were promised the same plan that Senators get, but I’ll bet that Senators have better coverage than that.


14 posted on 07/01/2012 10:22:19 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrats are the problem. Vote them out, all of them.)
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To: Eye of Unk
Joe goes Galt, tells the Feds to piss up a rope, joins a militia with his family and fights to return America to what is right.

there may well be many MD members of those militia. Maybe the only place to get coverage.

15 posted on 07/01/2012 10:26:06 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrats are the problem. Vote them out, all of them.)
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To: MrChips

Joe’s suffering will be on John Roberts’ head, that we can say for sure.


16 posted on 07/01/2012 10:32:38 PM PDT by jocon307
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Now tell us about José’s Healthcare Plan.


17 posted on 07/01/2012 10:40:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: MrChips
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V-E-R-Y well done and said, MrChips.

18 posted on 07/01/2012 10:43:47 PM PDT by jmax (Ahhhh...life is so frigging good in the obama nation.)
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To: MrChips

“Joe decides to vote Republican” ‘bout freekin’ time, Joe!


19 posted on 07/01/2012 11:20:38 PM PDT by Ace's Dad (Reagan ELF; when the Gipper stood up to the USSR, once again.)
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To: Baynative

So if I lose my job with the employer-paid health plan and go to work at a job with no health benefits, I’m basically in a bad place.


20 posted on 07/01/2012 11:31:37 PM PDT by thecodont
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