Cheddarmen can be found in great numbers on any given Sunday in Wisconsin.
They can often be seen in the company of a Cheddarwoman as well.
Posted on 06/20/2012 5:01:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
LOL, see #20. BTW, did you intend to mean East Indian (Subcontinent) kings?
This was a typical warrior elite sort of thing, they owned boats and engaged in both raiding and trade (selling what you steal is the only way to keep the boats afloat).
That was about 1000 BC.
They sailed around the Mediterraean for a few centuries ~ built some fortified towns ~ finally abandoned the area and settled in NW Spain in roughly 700 BC. They gradually took over adjoining Basque areas and finally took off for Ireland and Britain in maybe 500 BC. They took the Basques with them.
Again, they never got out of the warrior elite thing so their genes just disappeared in the far greater Basque and native Celtic genepool, but they did dominate with their language(s).
By the time the Romans arrived in 35AD the Irish were sufficiently advance to be too expensive to be conquered and dealt with. The Celts in Wales were also too expensive to be dealt with. The Celts in the Southern Coastal areas had the best lands and the Romans took them ~ see Boaddica ~ whose name is in a language that's probably been extinct about 1600 years ~ but it says she's the 'feminine form" King Arthur ~ which is really cute. Kind of different than the story handed down by the Romans but it doesn't seem to bother any of the old Celtic language specialists.
The Galician story is gradually displacing the competing British theories.
About 535 AD all he-double toothpicks broke loose and a large number of folks from SE Britain, and Cornwall, moved to Brittany ~ which had just recently lost all its population, its covering vegetation and its wild animals, so it was a mess.
BTW, Brittany in Roman times was run independently of Rome for some reason. These are the same people who'd earlier been allied with Carthage but I suspect they made a separate peace with Rome and that gave them a special status.
The more recent and significant history after the withdrawal of the Legions from Britain is simply that of Brittany ~ which worked in tandem with its counterpart Cornwall to control trade between the mediterranean and the North Sea. They became incredibly wealthy during the early Medieval period, and that lasted right down to Anne of Brittany who was married to three French kings among other things and was reputed to be the richest woman in Europe. The French royal family married into Brittany's top nobility and gradually took over.
If you're on foot that's a long way to anything in Eastern India ~ and BTW, that particular area ~ Greater india would have just then been moving into locales as far removed from the Indian core as Sumatra and coastal regions of what is now Malaysia. The oldest building in Penang was discovered not long ago and it appears to be a tax office built about 700 AD, give or take a couple of centuries.
Today's jains, though, live in East Anglia, New Jersey and Fairfax county VA (bwahahahaha).
Is that BBC series, “The Story of Wales”, an older one, or is it new? I’d love to see it.
That started out back in the early days of the Raj when starving Welshmen were happy to take jobs as school teachers in India!
Personally I think that's entirely too simple an idea because, after all, there are other philological connections.
Anyway, it appears that the Cllovis people were in the east coast at least 12,000 years ago, and their arrow heads and other technology resembled the technology of the people who lived at the same time in Iberia. There is evidence that the original people of Iberia and the British Isles are from a common culture as well, so the original Clovis people may have been Welsh! More accurately, there was probably a common culture in western Europe during the end of the last ice age, and it was that culture from which the Clovis people came.
I saw that too, it was truly amazing.
I try to keep my locations consistent with what they were thought of at the time. Since Columbus had not returned with news of the “West Indies’ until 1493 no such place existed in the 400s.
Pertinent to your interests ping.
This is only about the zillionth time they’ve “discovered” this.
I knew it 20 years ago.
They can often be seen in the company of a Cheddarwoman as well.
Ydy, wir! Diolch yn fawr. Shw mae?
‘Extraordinary’ genetic make-up of north-east Wales men
BBC | 19 July 2011 | BBC
Posted on 07/23/2011 7:26:30 PM PDT by Palter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2753008/posts
As conditions improved hunter/gatherers could move away from the Western European refugia Northern Spain, just south of the mountains.
One of the first groups to leave are now believed to be the people we know as the Sa'ami. They moved due North up the coast, and crossed to America, and went South into North Africa, and in time, managed to leave behind their marker gene sequence among the Sakha/Yakuts (ancestral to the Japanese ruling clique who invaded in 560 AD and imposed Buddhism).
It's possible they took along a Welshman or two, but they'd had to have left the Refugia first.
I wonder what the climate was in the hilly country in Wales at that time. Might have been inopportune to bother settling there, and with few people in Western Europe, they couldn't go everywhere.
Also, there's this thing about the Younger Dryas popping up and ruining everything. Evidence is a residual population of Sa'ami actually "wintered over" 1500 years on the Arctic coast. At the same time, their cousins in America were pretty much wiped out.
That climate anomaly definitely kept Britain miserable until about 9500 years ago.
“I LOVE hearing Welsh people speak!”
Aye! Indeed I do too!
Da iawn. Diolch yn fawr! :)
It’s great that you keep track of these old threads and post them for reference on the related topics. The only problem is, I read them and want to comment, and realize the thread’s been dead for 8 years :)
Yes, and by the Romans. The legions had to go to the north of Wales to wipe out the last of the (British) Druids and burn down the last of their oak groves. They thus wiped out the remaining religious and political/cultural core standing in their way. Then they turned around and defeated the last united military threat, Queen Boudica’s rebellion, and Britannia became a real Roman province for several hundred years. All that remained of the Celts were the Irish, who as Scots later conquered Scotland, the Picts, and the remnant Britons in the mountain fastnesses of Wales. Even the Romans couldn’t and wouldn’t want to kill everybody. Living slaves to till the new vineyards and serve the new masters’ estates were more valuable than corpses.
I wonder about these DNA studies, not that I am disputing the findings, but as time goes by, they find out more and more about DNA (like “jumping genes” and epigenetics) that make it hard to come to such a linear conclusion as “this group is the oldest...” etc.
And given the EXTREME bottleneck of the Toba supervolcano event ~75KYA BP, any results need to be factored greatly.
Mankinds population at that time fell to about 5,000 individuals WORLDWIDE! Almost an extinction event!
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