Gun Manufacturers Rifle Making Suggestion

me | May 18 2012 | Yosemitest

[Yosemitest]

Gun and Rifle manufacturers, I want your attention.
I've been looking for a rifle/shotgun to take on a long hike, and there's not many choices.
Take a look at Henry's U.S. Survival AR-7.



It's a good product for backpacking, but too small on caliber.
The fact that when it's packed inside its waterproof stock, it can float if dropped into water,
and can be retrieved and will still work, is a great deciding factor.
But being a .22LR is a detractor.

Now take a look at the Rossi Circuit Judge and their many different variations.



I like the 3-inch Magnum .410 gauge and .45 Colt varity that can also shoot 2.5-inch shotgun shells in .410 ga.
At 85 and 1/2 ounces, that's pretty good and a lot of choices, from shooting birds, to defending against bears.
A stainless steel model is a must on the trail, due to 100 percent chance of getting rained on, and on a long hike, probably getting dropped.
But, we need the capability of breaking the rifle down and putting it in the backpack, similar to Henry's AR-7.
Rossi's Circuit Judge doesn't offer this. Here's where someone can make some money, building a rifle that would fit this need.

The main goal is to keep the total pack weight down, to preferably under 30 pounds.

Rossi offers a model with a Black Tactical "Blued" barrel and a Black Synthetic Stock that only weighs 75 ounces,
but a hiker needs a stainless steel or weatherproof finish and prefers
"the pieces when disassembled, fit inside a impact-resistant, waterproof stock, which will float."


Okay builders, any thoughts?

[MileHi]

I say a take down 30-30/12 g over and under with 20” barrel. Singe shot 30-30 can be loaded stiff with 150 gr Nosler Partition and the 12 g can be slug, buck or bird shot w/ threaded chokes.

Savage (I think) used to make one without the take down and threaded choke. Someone should again.

[Ratman83]

You missed the point, he did nothing illegal and he called and confirmed with the State police beforehand and yet he was still convicted.

[Yosemitest]

I've got a Taurus 4410 that's not too loud and I fire it alot both with .410 and .45LC.
It's a good weapon.

[Errant]

Another possiblilty, IMO, would be the savage model 24 over & under in 20 gauge and 22 LR. It breaks down into a small package and you could look around for a synthetic stock and foregrip.

[FLAMING DEATH]

That's close. If the innards are faithful to the original HK, it'd be reliable too.

I wondered about one of these. Seems cobbled together, but this guy seems ecstatic:

My Saiga takes AR-Mags

If it works, this would be PERFECT.

[Yosemitest]

I got that.
New Jersey should vote everyone involved with that conviction out of office.
But they were still HAND GUNS, not rifles.

[Yosemitest]

I've looked for something similar to that, and can remember in the 1970's, seeing several like you describe.
But those combos are hard to come by now.

[wrench]

Looks like hiking the Appalachian Trail with any type of firearm is all but impossible to do and stay legal. :

New Firearm Regulations for the National Park Service

As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms on portions of the Appalachian National Scenic Trail.

This applies to:

This only applies to lands owned by the U.S. Government and managed by the National Park Service, Appalachian Trail Park Office. This includes 428 miles of trail, 25 % of the trail’s length in 9 of the 14 trail states.

This does not apply to:

This does not apply to the Appalachian Trail located on lands owned and managed by the more than 90 other federal, state and local agencies. This includes 1747 miles of trail, 80 % of the trails length across all 14 states. Rules and regulations on these lands are determined by the individual agencies.

Please note:

The Appalachian National Scenic Trail, a unit of the national park system, is administered by the National Park Service, Appalachian Trail Park Office. The Appalachian Trail spans 2,179 miles across lands administered by 6 other national parks, 8 National Forests, 1 National Wildlife Refuge, and 75 other federal, state, and local agencies. Each one of these agencies has their own rules and regulations which contributes to the complexity of legally carrying a firearm on the Appalachian Trail.

It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearms laws before visiting the Appalachian Trail.

What has not changed:

The use of weapons are still prohibited on Appalachian Trail National Park Service lands

Hunting is still prohibited on Appalachian Trail National Park Service lands

Firearms are still prohibited inside National Park Service federal facilities

[Errant]

What's the pattern like at say 20 steps? :) The rifled barrel isn't going to give you much squirrel killing capability in a tall tree.

I make and shoot shot shells in my 45 colt revolvers. They're great for snakes at less than five steps but worthless after that. I figure the 410 down a rifled barrel isn't going to be much better, though I have no experience with one.

[MileHi]

Shame that. I know there was a 30-39/12 g with very nice wood. Expensive but good if you could only have one gun.

[Errant]

Yep, they’re hugely popular for a good reasons.

[MileHi]

Sorry, 30-30/12 g

[x1stcav]

What is it?

[Yosemitest]

We still need to change those laws and RE-ENFORCE the Second Amendment.

...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
That law is definitely an INFRINGEMENT

FAIRFAX, VA -- The National Rifle Association praised New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for commuting the prison sentence of Brian Aitken—a gun owner who was arrested, convicted and imprisoned for illegal possession of firearms, even though he had made every effort to comply with New Jersey’s restrictive and confusing laws. The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund supported Mr. Aitken’s case.

“On behalf of the 4 million members of the National Rifle Association of America, I would like to thank Governor Christie for freeing Brian Aitken in time to spend the holiday with his family,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action.

Mr. Aitken was convicted last year of illegal possession of firearms, following a trial in which the judge refused to let the jury hear about exceptions in the law that allow possession of firearms without a license, while moving to a new residence. Mr. Aitken was sentenced to a seven-year prison term even though he had lawfully purchased and owned the firearms.

“While Governor Christie’s grant of clemency was absolutely the right thing to do, Brian Aitken’s case is just one example of how New Jersey's ridiculous gun laws turn law-abiding gun owners into criminals,” added Cox. “There is a serious need to reform New Jersey’s gun laws so that the full weight of the state’s law enforcement and legal system falls squarely on the shoulders of criminals, not on people like Brian Aitken.”

[Yosemitest]

Any shotgun is about barrel length.
At 20 paces the number 7 is probably about a 6 foot diameter on a long barrel, and on a three inch barrel, it's about 12 feet.
To do any damage with number 7 shot, you've got to be within 20 feet.

[MHGinTN]

Kel Tec SUB 2000 in 40 cal Glock configuration. Folds to 16 inches, packs a real punch with a 16 inch barrel pushing 40 cal ammo. Mags can be in 15 to 32 count, insert into the pistol grip and can be folded with the loaded mag in place.

[mylife]

the innards are HK93

[mylife]

the saigas are ok except for the trigger, which is a little long

[wrench]

You are absolutely correct. Yet, how many of those law makers held up their hand and swore to support and defend the Constitution?

[Dogbert41]

If you want handy and light, 5 lbs, cheap, $150, 12 gauge. You can bring bird shot, buckshot, and slugs. If it's just to have for emergencies, it'll do.