Sarah Ann Dunham Sortoro (Every one save these images now)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2862166/posts?page=148#148 ^ | June 30, 1961 and Jan 4 1972 | US of A INS Report and Sarah Ann Dunham Sortoro

[Yosemitest]

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[fish hawk]

try side by side. pain in the ass scrolling up down, up down, up down to try to match

[Yosemitest]

Strunk v Dept of State FOIA Release - Stanley Ann Dunham,Obama,Soetoro Passport Application File - 7/29/10

[Yosemitest]

My 15.6 inch screen shows them side by side.



Is that any better?

[Lancey Howard]

Suspect Zero's minions will just ocntinue to ignore this, and wait for the MSM to cover it up as usual.

There is absolutely nothing to stop a Congressman with a spine from demanding hearings.
Unfortunately, that would require a Congressman with a spine.

[Godwin1]

Well, perhaps the law was different in 1961. But today—and in 1976 when a child of mine was born while I was living and working in ARGENTINA—children of US citizen parents,or even just ONE US citizen parent,ARE US citizens at birth. My son's US CONSULATE birth document is entitled “Certification of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America.” It is USG Form FS-545. I assume FS means “Foreign Service.”
In other words, if the laws were the same in the early sixties, Obama was a natural born citizen at birth by virtue of his mom being a citizen. There is a lot to go after Obama on. For example, why did he go to Pakistan while at Columbia. Who paid for what was a long and costly trip? Who was his roommate in NYC? How did he pay the expensive east side of Manhattan rent. Who was the NY girlfriend he boasts of dumping in Audacity of Hope. What were his college grades? What were his SAT and LSAT scores—we had to know Bush's grades! But the birth thing is a false trail. Diverts energy from real substance.

[Yosemitest]

Notice that at Obama's site, his forged long form shows his birth as "August 4, 1961 at 7:24 pm"
and, yet his lawyers try to confuse the issue by quoting a law that started in 1968, 7 years AFTER his falsely quoted birth.

Obama: "Even if I was born in Kenya; I'd still be eligible."

The following language is included by Obama’s lawyers in the PA and GA MTD filings:
“President Obama was a United States citizen from the moment of his birth in Hawaii. Since he held citizenship from birth, all Constitutional qualifications have been met.
Ankeny v. Governor of State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Ind. App., 2009);

see,United States v. Marguet-Pillado , 648 F.3d 1001, 1006 (9thCir., 2011).

There is no basis to question the President’s citizenship or qualifications to hold office.”
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2011/08/12/10-50041.pdf

On the last link above on page 6-7 of 19 pages you can find Judge Gwin, writing for the majority in his “III Analysis” dicta.

A person is a natural-born United States citizen if that person was born in the United States.

A person born outside the United States is also a natural-born citizen of the United States if,
before the person’s birth,
one biological United States citizen parent of that person was physically present in the United States for ten years,
at least five of which were after the citizen parent reached the age of fourteen.

But you must remember that at Obama's site, his forged long form shows his birth as "August 4, 1961 at 7:24 pm"
and, yet his lawyers try to confuse the issue by quoting a law that started in 1968, 7 years AFTER his falsely quoted birth.

Will the lies and deceit ever end?

[Yosemitest]

" if the laws were the same in the early sixties, Obama was a natural born citizen at birth by virtue of his mom being a citizen"

WRONG!
A "Natural Born Citizen" won't hold up when the father wasn't a U.S. Citizen.
Please go to A "Transient Alien" (about 1/5 of the way down) and read more about Barack Hussein Obama Senior.

Senior was never at any time an immigrant to the United States, by intention or by law.  He was a person of a "transient" nature to the United States.

On the US State Department’s website on the page entitled Immigrants to the U.S. it clearly states:
    

Immigrating to the United States to live here permanently is an important, and complex decision. This section provides information to help foreign citizens desiring to permanently immigrate to determine the visas, requirements, and related materials they will need to apply to immigrate to the United States.

     
Senior had no intention of residing in the United States permanently, he was here in the early 1960’s because he was hand picked by the founder of the socialist, Nairobi People's Congress Party to come to the United States to study in preparation for Kenya’s independence.

There are two types of student visas for the United States, F-1 and M-1.  Both are classified as nonimmigrant visas by the U.S. State Department.

The mother was too young to meet the requirements of the law at that time, to transfer U.S. Citizenship to her child.

Read Citizenship Rules for People Born Outside the United States

All persons born in the United States are citizens of the U.S. (with the minor exception of certain children of diplomatic personnel). This is perhaps the only simple rule of U.S. citizenship.

Persons born abroad before May 24, 1934, to a U.S. citizen father who had resided in the U.S. at any point before the birth are considered U.S. citizens at birth. The status of the mother did not matter unless the child was born out of wedlock.

In 1940, Congress passed a law making illegitimate children born abroad to U.S. citizen women citizens if the mother had resided in the U.S. However, under this law, if the child was legitimated by the foreign national father before his or her eighteenth birthday, the child would not be considered a citizen. The U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. prior to the birth. This residence could have been in the U.S. itself, or in certain U.S. territories.

The rules changed for people born between May 24, 1934, and January 13, 1941. In 1934, Congress passed a law allowing U.S. citizen parents, regardless of their gender, to pass citizenship to their children born abroad. If both parents were citizens, only one was required to have resided in the U.S., and as with the previous law, there was no required length of time that the parent must have resided in the U.S. Illegitimate children born aboard between 1934 and 1941 became citizens under the general provision.

The rules changed again for people born between January 14, 1941, and December 23, 1952. When one parent was a citizen and the other a foreign national, the rules changed substantially. To pass on citizenship, the citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for at least 10 years before the birth of the child, and at least five of those years had to be after the parent turned 16. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother who met the residence requirements were automatically citizens. For a child born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father, to obtain U.S. citizenship the child must have been legitimated before the age of 21.

The rules changed again for people born between December 23, 1952, and November 13, 1986(BHO was born in 1961...so this would pertain to him) When one parent was a U.S. citizen and the other a foreign national, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. (Ann Dunham was only 18...so she was~according to the law in effect at the time~UNABLE to confer US citizenship to BHO,Jr) Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother were U.S. citizens if the mother was a resident in the U.S. for a period of one year prior to the birth of the child. Children born out of wedlock to a U.S. citizen father acquired U.S. citizenship only if legitimated before turning 21.

[TheCipher]

Well, perhaps the law was different in 1961. But today—and in 1976 when a child of mine was born while I was living and working in ARGENTINA—children of US citizen parents,or even just ONE US citizen parent,ARE US citizens at birth.

The laws were different in 1961. If he was born overseas he would not be a US citizen because she was not old enough to pass on citizenship to him.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

She did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born ( she was 18 ). If he was born overseas, not only would he not have "natural born" citizenship, he would not have US citizenship.

[john mirse]

NO pictures of Obama's mother between her "marriage" and the day Barack Obama was supposedly born on Aug. 4,1961.

Why is that?

We have some pictures of Barack Obama AFTER he was born, but, again, there don't seem to be any pictures of his mother during her nine months of pregnancy.

I don't know about others here, but I find the lack of even one picture of Obama's mother during the nine months of her pregnancy very odd.

[WhiskeyX]

The question of whether or not Stanley Ann Dunham was married or lawfully married to Barack Hussein Obama is very complicated because it is also very problematic in evidence and circumstances.

The problems begins with Stanley Ann Dunham purportedly becoming pregnant in early November 1960 at 17 years of age and shortly before her 18th birthday. The unmarried Stanley Ann Dunham allegedly names Barack Hussein Obama as the father of their forthcoming baby by sometime in December 1960. At this point in time Barack Hussein Obama has already been married to another woman in Kenya with whom he has produced children. Nonetheless, Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Dunham claimed to have been “lawfully married in Wailuku, Maui, State of Hawaii, on February 2, 1961, by a person duly authorized to perform marriage ceremonies and ever since that date have been and are now husband and wife (divorce papers).” Other sources have alleged the marriage ceremony had been performed as a Muslim marriage by a Muslim cleric. Based on the evidence of the official divorce documents, it appears as if the State of Hawaii acknowledged the existence of a lawful marriage which was to be terminated by an official divorce. This official evidence then prompts a number of corollary questions.

Why has no one been able to find the Hawaiian marriage license and Hawaiian marriage certificate for this marriage reported by the Hawaiian divorce court?

In later years the State of Hawaii required a bride who is 18 years of age to submit proof of age in the form of a birth certificate to be filed with the application for a marriage license. If this requirement was also in force in 1961, why has no birth certificate for Stanley Ann Dunham been found with an application for a marriage license?

Were no marriage license application, birth certificate, marriage license, or marriage certificate found because they never existed and the divorce court had been deceived into accepting fraudulent evidence of such a marriage ceremony?

There were some men in that era who found it expedient to use extraordinary measures to placate girlfriends anxious to be properly married. They simply found an impostor to pretend to be a lawful clergyman performing a marriage ceremony. The duped girlfriend then went forward believing she was a lawfully married wife, when in reality she was not married at all. Barack Hussein Obama knew he would be committing the felony crime of bigamy under U.S. laws Did he perhaps resort to pretending to marry Stanley Ann Dunham and expect this faked marriage to help him obtain permanent residence in the United States, yet reserve a defense against a possible felony charge of bigamy in the event the multiple marriages, real and unreal, were discovered?

Did Stanley Ann Dunham knowingly enter into a sham marriage to assist Barack Hussein Obama Sr. fraudulently obtain permanent U.S. residence as the spouse of a U.S. citizen?

Did Barack Hussein Obama marry Stanley Ann Dunham in Kenya? The answer to that question is that it would have been very very unlikely, although not entirely impossible. Until recent years, Kenya maintained the colonial era legal prohibitions against inter-racial marriages between so-called Europeans and Africans in Kenya, whether or not they are native to Kenya. Marriages between an African race husband and a European race wife, although both born in Kenya, have been annulled as illegal under Kenyan law decades after 1961. So, it appears highly likely that Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was prohibited against entering into such marriages within Kenya.

A U.S. Consulate issued Certificate of American citizenship, if it had been issued in the name of Barack Hussein Obama Jr. raises a number of problems.

If Stanley Ann Dunham was married to Barack Hussein Obama on 2 February 1961 or was deceived into believing she was so married, did she travel on a U.S. Passport under her new married name, Mrs. Barack Hussein Obama, Stanley Ann Obama, or Stanley Ann Dunham Obama?

If she traveled on a U.S. Passport as the married wife of Barack Hussein Obama, who had British citizenship, then how is it possible for her baby, Barack Hussein Obama Jr., to have been issued a Certificate of American Citizenship by the U.S. Consulate in Kenya?

Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 years of age in August 1961, which made her 1 year too young for U.S. And international law to confer statutory U.S. Citizenship upon the child. A married mother had to be at least 19 years of age to confer her U.S. Citizenship upon her child, otherwise the child’s citizenship is required to be the same as the father’s citizenship. Did Stanley Ann Dunham obtain a U.S. Passport that falsified her age to make her appear to be 19 years of age and fraudulently eligible to confer her U.S. Citizenship to her child by a statutory Certificate of American citizenship?

If a mother is unmarried and father’s citizenship undetermined, the citizenship of the foreign born child becomes the U.S. Citizenship of the mother. Did Stanley Ann Dunham travel to Kenya as an unmarried 18 year old female and apply for her child’s statutory Certificate of American Citizenship on the claim the father of the child and the father’s citizenship were unknown? If so, then how did she later persuade the Hawaiian divorce court she was married on 2 February 1961 at Maui, Hawaii and had remained married to that day in divorce court? Did she lie to the U.S. Passport Office, the U.S. Consulate, the Hawaiian Divorce Court, some of them, or all of them?

Was Barack Hussein Obama Jr. born with U.S. Citizenship, or was he never a lawful U.S. Citizen?

Was Barack Hussein Obama Jr. born with statutory U.S. Citizenship?

If so, how is it even possible for him to have born a Natural Born Citizen of the United States, or was he born a Natural Born Citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain as Sir Winston Churchill was also the son of a former U.S. Citizen mother? Should Sir Winston Churchill have run for election to the Office of the President of the United States after being voted out of office as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain?

[WhiskeyX]

You are mistaken. The Certification of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America is proof of staturoty citizenship, meaning U.S. citizenship conferred by the act of a statute; whereas natural born citizenship requires no act of a statute to confer citizenship. In other words, any child whose citizenship is evidenced by such a certificate is by definition not a natural born citizen eligible to the Office of the President.

[mo]

Could be his half-sister.....

[Mimi3]

I think Obama has Madelyn Dunham’s eyes and eyebrows.

[mo]

IMHO...his FATHER...not his Grandfather.....

[fish hawk]

thank you for taking the time to try it . My screen still has them virticle. Aloha

[john mirse]

Look at her signature. Notice how it sits on the line.

Now compare that 1972 signature to her signature on the 1961 birth certificate where the signature does not touch the line, especially see how the last half of the name "unham Obama" does not touch the line.

Not only does the signature not touch the line on the long form birth certificate, but the signature is perfectly aligned along the line , that is, the tiny space between the bottom of the letters and the line are almost perfectly the same from beginning to end.

A person who claimed to be a computer expert wrote on World Net Daily that such a perfect alignment on the long form birth certificate was almost impossible for a human to do when writing his signature.

The computer expert said that the space was only one pixel wide between the letters and the line, which, the expert claimed, was impossible for a human to do when writing his name to any document.

On the other hand, the computer expert said that setting up such a perfect alignment of letters in the signature was no problem for a computer to do.

So to me, the Stanley signature on the 1961 long form birth certificate looks like a forgery when I compare it to Stanley's signature on this 1972 document.

[Bellflower]

Some day look up ANNE STANLEY. Check out her son.

There's more going on in Southeast Asia than what you ever imagined.

Links please.

[Bellflower]

Main thing that looks alike is their chins, and not all that much as her’s is pointier and longer, maybe the foreheads a little.

[Yosemitest]

Everyone knows Obama's long form is a forgery, the same as the other two short forms were forgeries.
What would the LAME Stream Media have done if Bush had tried that?

[john mirse]

Everyone knows Obama's long form is a forgery, the same as the other two short forms were forgeries.

What would the LAME Stream Media have done if Bush had tried that?

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I hope that everyone who knows that Obama's long form is a forgery votes against Obama come election day Nov. 2012.

Also, with each passing day, it looks more and more that Obama and his staff have no idea how to run the federal government, even if his ObamaCare is declared legal by the Supreme Court.