Posted on 03/12/2012 7:07:09 AM PDT by Shery
A lot of people have been calling for Santorum or Newt to get out. I say that is bunk and here's why. If one does pull out, that leaves Romney in first or second place in ALL the rest of the states. If Santorum and Newt can win 1st and 2nd in many of the remaining states, that pushes Romney to the back of the bus, or at least slows his delegate count, so I think both need to stay. The fewer delegates Romney wins the better! Why do you think he's calling for everybody else to get out? Because he knows that as it stands, he is likely NOT to get to 1144 this way, either. So, let's all stop the nonsense (and the in-house bickering it is causing among us) and let our two conservatives beat Romney this time around. This IS a winning strategy, if you want to look at it that way. If one pulls out, Romney is the automatic winner. Otherwise, we decide on the convention floor who is the nominee. The last I saw, Newt was winning a brokered convention, with Santorum second. I say that we take this to the convention!
How many ‘winner take all’ states are left versus some other type of apportionment?
“One has to say that if Newt or Santorum pulled out, it is not a sure thing that those delegates would support the other.”
I agree with you. Unless Newt and Rick were to start running as a team, then it is better that they both stay in.
Your biggest problem with that theory is, most of us who support Newt, don't want Santorum anywhere near the Office of the Presidency. For SEVERAL reasons.
Santorum has been in this for over a year now, and for most of it, he was completely shunned, and overlooked for reasons that belong to who and what Santorum is. Now all of a sudden, he is the ONLY choice to win?
Not even close. The damage has been done and the disaster some of us predicted, has become a reality.
You’re tainted by what you’re seeing on FR. They’re on their own mission here, but don’t represent a large amount of the Newt supporters, IMO.
The math doesn’t work out that way Shery. Because Romney keeps getting first he keeps taking a disproportionate number of delegates compared to his vote totals. The delegates are not added as a straight representation of the vote percentage. The problem is if 60% of the vote is “not Romney” and yet that is devided up 35% for romney 30% for conservative A, 25% for conservative B and 10% for the crazy uncle, then Romney gets over 50% of the delegates again and again. One or the other NEEDS to get out or they need to find a way to increase their vote total between them. However, staying in and scratching for 2nd and 3rd all the time is going to screw us all in the long run.
Bingo.
No, I don’t want anyone to drop out. I want to have a choice, when I *finally* get to vote. I’m sick of wimp-wristed candidates who can’t go the distance.
We are now forced to induce a Brokered Convention, which also makes the party as a whole, look like a joke.....
Santorum is NOT an option. And Newt also knows this, because he has seen Santorum in action. When the smartest candidate we have had, in our lifetime, refuses to team up with an alternate like Santorum, then something is not right and this party had better grow a brain real quick.
Newt Gingrich, knows RINOs inside and out. And this is exactly how he sees Santorum. Believe it.
Even with all these new revelations of obama’s Marxist ties, people are still willing to give him another four. Romney may or may not be a lot of things, but I don’t think he’s a hard core commie like obama. I’m OK with Romney as the last resort candidate. If he were to put Newt on his ticket, that would be the end of obama. We’d pick up the mushy middle and the conservative base. The super anti-romney people should think about future generations. At least Romney is a capitalist.
12 winner take all - summarized at the bottom of this page:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/ccad.phtml
You can find the other detail on these pages.
Elections began on 1/3, so election season began then. For convenience, we can use the 13th of each month:
1/13 16.8 G 14.4 S (Newt First)
2/13 18.0 G 30.3 S (Newt third)
3/13 14.2 G 29.2 S (Newt third)
12/13 Newt was first
11/13 Newt was third
10/13 Newt was fourth
9/13 Newt was fifth
8/13 Newt was sixth
While he was ahead of Santorum, if you go back to before the elections, he was in no position to brag about his position either. He benefited as much from the attrition of alternatives as Santorum.
The liberals who control the GOP want you to think having the nominee decided before the convention is a good thing. But that way, the reality is, the nominee is decided by manipulation of primary rules and attack ads funded by big-money interests (which are the GOP liberal establishment interests).
The result of the nominees being decided in the GOP-e way has been - Nixon, Ford, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain - and the vice-presidential nominees are a sop to conservative base.
The only chance for the conservatives is for the convention system to be made to work as designed - that is, for delegates to be elected as representatives of their districts and go to the convention with the latitude to exercise their best judgement in selecting a ticket to represent the party in the general election.
THAT is the only chance. JMHO.
——The liberals who control the GOP want you to think having the nominee decided before the convention is a good thing. But that way, the reality is, the nominee is decided by manipulation of primary rules and attack ads funded by big-money interests (which are the GOP liberal establishment interests).
The result of the nominees being decided in the GOP-e way has been - Nixon, Ford, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain - and the vice-presidential nominees are a sop to conservative base.-——
Yes! Let’s go to a brokered convention. Otherwise, it’s Romney.
Agree completely with you, Crusher. Getting rid of Obama trumps ALL other concerns this time around. Romney is not my ideal candidate, but he is better than our Dear Leader, no doubt about it.
As for me, I like Rick but Newt is great, too. However, if I have to vote for Romney, I will.
“We are now forced to induce a Brokered Convention, which also makes the party as a whole, look like a joke.....”
Trying not to provoke you, but I have a little question? Why would having a real convention make the party look like a joke?
Having them both stay in only makes sense if they work together. I see no indication that Santorum would throw in with Newt. Santorum will most likely throw in with Romney for a VP slot. Since we know that Obama created the contraception issue and since we know that this issue has actually helped Santorum get evangilical support, I suspect that this was all orchestrated to help Romney by taking the evangelicals away from Newt.
A vote for Santorum is a vote for Romney.
Boo. Hiss.
I would like (in order of preference):
1. Paul Ryan (not running)
2. Newt
3. Santorum
4. Mittens
I would vote for any of them before Obummer. I don’t really know if Romney was so much pro-abortion as he was walking a thin line in MA by saying he supported a woman’s right to choose. One means that you would be in favor of our taxes paying for murder, the other means that you don’t see it as a function of the government to tell a woman what to do with her body. I would prefer him to be Pro-Life, which means the government actively protects the life of the not-yet-born. I know a lot of my Freeper Friends would like this issue to be black or white, but unfortunately there are a lot of good, well-intentioned people who sit in the gray...
BTW, I am NOT one of them! There is no such thing as an unwanted baby!
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