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Vanity : Do We Really Want Newt or Santorum to Pull Out?

Posted on 03/12/2012 7:07:09 AM PDT by Shery

A lot of people have been calling for Santorum or Newt to get out. I say that is bunk and here's why. If one does pull out, that leaves Romney in first or second place in ALL the rest of the states. If Santorum and Newt can win 1st and 2nd in many of the remaining states, that pushes Romney to the back of the bus, or at least slows his delegate count, so I think both need to stay. The fewer delegates Romney wins the better! Why do you think he's calling for everybody else to get out? Because he knows that as it stands, he is likely NOT to get to 1144 this way, either. So, let's all stop the nonsense (and the in-house bickering it is causing among us) and let our two conservatives beat Romney this time around. This IS a winning strategy, if you want to look at it that way. If one pulls out, Romney is the automatic winner. Otherwise, we decide on the convention floor who is the nominee. The last I saw, Newt was winning a brokered convention, with Santorum second. I say that we take this to the convention!


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One has to say that if Newt or Santorum pulled out, it is not a sure thing that those delegates would support the other. Not only that, but it would signal to the rest of the states that Romney is the inevitable winner. Even if he won second in most of them it would be hard to overtake his delegate count, since he is so far ahead. And, he'd pull the larger, less conservative, states easily then. Right now, Santorum would have a good chance in many of the larger states, against Romney. I'm not so sure that if Newt pulled out his voters would help Santorum. Listening to some pundits over the weekend, it seems it would be split.
1 posted on 03/12/2012 7:07:16 AM PDT by Shery
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To: Shery

Romney is a no go for me, absolute. I’ll write in my candidate’s name if he is nominated or vote independent because if this is what America has come to be, I have to vote what I want America to become.


2 posted on 03/12/2012 7:10:08 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

And we will get four more years of Obummer.

Thanks!


3 posted on 03/12/2012 7:11:50 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Shery

I think they should run together. At a certain point, the trailing candidate can drop out and toss his delegates to the leader and the leader can announce that the other candidate will be on the ticket as VP.


4 posted on 03/12/2012 7:12:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Shery

Personally, I’d like to see it fought out all the way to the convention. I’d also like my @#$%^&* late May Texas primary vote actually *mean* something. But that’s just me.


5 posted on 03/12/2012 7:12:53 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Shery
If Santorum and Newt can win 1st and 2nd in many of the remaining states, that pushes Romney to the back of the bus, or at least slows his delegate count,

That hasn't happened so far, why do you think it will start happening now?
6 posted on 03/12/2012 7:14:13 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Shery

I read this morning that there is a possible Gingrich/Perry ticket idea floating around...

http://urgentagenda.com/PERMALINKS%20VII/MARCH%202012/12.PERRY.HTML


7 posted on 03/12/2012 7:17:04 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Shery

If you want a more conservative nominee, and you think Santorum and Gingrich clearly are better than Romney, then why would you want to keep splitting the anti- Romney vote?

Maybe in a 2 man race you can beat Romney. If you think either Gingrich or Santorum cannot win majorities in the primaries versus Romney, then what is the point?


8 posted on 03/12/2012 7:17:56 AM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Crusher138

If one pulls out, Romney gets a lot more delegates any way you look at it. That’s why both Newt and Santorum need to stay. In the south, both are running well against Romney. If they win the majority of delegates, Romney gets a LOT fewer overall. If Newt pulled out, Santorum might win PA, but Romney would get a much higher delegate count. If Santorum pulled out, Romney would win all the big states and it WOULD be over.


9 posted on 03/12/2012 7:19:13 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: SumProVita

Yeah, that’s an interesting bit of news, if true.

There was a thread posted on this news item a half hour ago but it got yanked by the A.M. for some reason.


10 posted on 03/12/2012 7:20:56 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: huldah1776

Romney should drop out.


11 posted on 03/12/2012 7:28:54 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Shery

I want fake milk & cookies boy Romney to pull out.

If Newt pulls out, he should be given the option to have his delegates support whoever will keep Romney from winning.


12 posted on 03/12/2012 7:29:36 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: Shery

For Newt to catch Romney, 3/4 of Santorum’s supporters would have to switch to Newt. For Santorum to catch Romney, 2/3 of Gingrich’s followers would have to switch. Both of the above numbers assume that none of the supporters would go to Romney. I cannot picture those numbers moving.

I might be tainted by the comments I have seen on FR, but I cannot picture, for example, people who call Santorum “Little Ricky”, “Father Ricky”, or “Romney Lite” switching their votes that way.


13 posted on 03/12/2012 7:32:46 AM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Shery

Ain’t going to happen.

The only chance is to get one of them to drop out and go head to head.

And then one (Newt or Santorum) needs to start winning every state back to back to back. No matter where. So even if Romney picks up delegates he would a.) lose his frontrunner tag and b.) lose his argument for nomination (You going to nominate a guy who lost the last 20 or so states?)

And then heading into the convention, if say Newt went on a huge run at the end, winning like 85-90% of the states - who you going to make your nominee? It will be a serious battle.

That’s the only chance. IMO.


14 posted on 03/12/2012 7:36:54 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: Nervous Tick

I believe that thread got pulled because 50 percent was not excerpted. I posted to Utmost Certainty to repost it. I think Gingrich and Santorum are wanting to at the very least deprive Romney of the delegates needed to be the nominee by staying in this all the way. Some of the delegates are not legally bound per both Gingrich and Santorum. The establishment moved the primaries up on purpose to frontload Romney’s racking up delegates. Texas is on the horizon and a big factor in what Gingrich is planning.


15 posted on 03/12/2012 7:41:22 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Obama Green Energy Is a Money Laundering Operation)
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To: huldah1776

The person that should have pulled out it Willards father but I guess its a little late for that....


16 posted on 03/12/2012 7:41:22 AM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: SumProVita

I read this morning that there is a possible Gingrich/Perry ticket idea floating around...

Perry said, “That is VERY premature.” I think he wants to run in the future and wants to be part of a winning ticket. I think that is why he dropped out so early because he doesn’t want any negativity from this primary or a loss for sure.


17 posted on 03/12/2012 7:45:38 AM PDT by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: Crusher138

I cannot vote for someone is not 100% pro-life, including no contraceptive pill or any device that would kill a fertilized human egg, because then I am saying it is okay to murder the unborn. As Jeremiah Wright said, “Damn America” if this continues.

God will judge me according to what I allow to happen by being silent and passive, and a vote for someone is not that, it is a public affirmation.

God has not changed and His Son will be the One who will accuse us.


18 posted on 03/12/2012 7:48:26 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Shery

I agree with you. Santorum has lots of problems with being awarded delegates in important states where he failed to qualify on many ballots. He can’t beat romney alone period.
If Newt can’t either, a brokered convention is the only way to knock romney off his pedestal.


19 posted on 03/12/2012 7:48:48 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Shery

No, both need to stay in to, as you have aptly pointed out, keep Romney from gaining the nomination and the needed number of delegates.

Romney must not win, he will be a disaster in the general election against Obama.


20 posted on 03/12/2012 7:54:26 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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