Is this a fair question for Romney? What are your vows, promises and duties as Mormon bishop?

February 6, 2012 | Ralph Mitchell

[mitchell001]

If Gingrich, Santorum or Paul were deacons or ministers of Catholic or Protestant churches, they would certainly be asked what their vows, promises and duties were and will they conflict with the oath of President of the US. I am asking the readers first if this is a fair question for Romney, second has it been asked and answered before, and third if it hasn't been asked who will most likely have the opportunity to ask this question during the GOP primary process?

[LukeSW]

You are dreaming about moving him. This is a man who has no core commitment to conservative ideals. This is a man who appointed Democrat judges, instituted gay marriages and agreed to instituting a healthcare mandate, etc. Once he had the Presidency, the only movement will be to compromise with Democrats. He is a bad choice.

I never said I support Romney. I have supported Cain and Santorum. What I said was intended to be helpful in understanding the man. Romney appears to be a pragmatic utilitarian. That means he seems to go with the most current cost/benefit analysis of whatever problem he is focusing on.

Personally, I don't think that is the way to run a country or restore what has been lost in America. But that is Mitt and his apparent mode of operating. It isn't a Mormon way or a Constitutional way, it is a MBA business executive way of running things.

[LukeSW]

In addition, any member who is a political candidate is advised to keep Church and politics separate. I see...

Geez, Elsie. You might try sticking to relevant facts. Ezra Taft Benson was never a candidate for public office, he was providing a service to the country. He was very conservative and his policies were much more enlightened than the socialistic farm policies of the liberal Democrats.

Moreover, there are many members of The Church who serve with distinction in the military, in Government, in all walks of life, including sports, media, medicine, law, and yes, even in politics. My point was that while "affinity" trends are a fact of political campaigns, The Church does not involve itself in party politics and encourages members to become informed and involved, using their own agency and judgement.

[MHGinTN]

This is an apparent diversion, to steer people from looking at the real insidious title Mitt and other Mormon males hold and the oaths they swear to be in that function, that of High Priest in the Melchizadek priesthood. Momronism is a religion fashioned along lines of the spirit of anti-Christ, and Mitt Romney is a hgigh priest in that religion.

[MHGinTN]

This is an apparent diversion, to steer people from looking at the real insidious title Mitt and other Mormon males hold and the oaths they swear to be in that function, that of High Priest in the Melchizedek priesthood. Mormonism is a religion fashioned along lines of the spirit of Antichrist, and Mitt Romney is a high priest in that religion.

[Osage Orange]

I figure it's just how you were taught....or brought up. But, I just find it interesting...that mormon's capitalize "The Church"...but then in your tag line...you don't bother to capitalize "The Truth"...which considering that is one of the many names for Jesus Christ....

It sure seems like I see that your church when named is ALWAYS capitalized....over and over with mormons. But rather lax...when mentioning Jesus.

Can I ask....why is that? When I mention my church...I don't capitalize it. It comes across...as you all think your church IS THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH........and all others are inferior.

But on the other hand...you want all others to recognize mormonism as Christian too.

Seems a bit double minded, to me.

[svcw]

Info you requested:

White Horse Prophesy

In 1855, Brigham Young wrote that “when the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the ‘Mormon’ Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it.”

In 1858, Orson Hyde wrote that Smith believed “the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and ... if the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the elders of [the LDS] Church”.

In 1922, the LDS Church’s fifth presiding bishop, Charles W. Nibley, stated that “the day would come when there would be so much of disorder, of secret combinations taking the law into their own hands, tramping [sic] upon Constitutional rights and the liberties of the people, that the Constitution would hang as by a thread. Yes, but it will still hang, and there will be enough of good people, many who may not belong to our Church at all, people who have respect for law and for order, and for Constitutional rights, who will rally around with us and save the Constitution.”

In 1928, Melvin J. Ballard remarked that “the prophet Joseph Smith said the time will come when, through secret organizations taking the law into their own hands ... the Constitution of the United States would be so torn and rent asunder, and life and property and peace and security would be held of so little value, that the Constitution would, as it were, hang by a thread. This Constitution will be preserved, but it will be preserved very largely in consequence of what the Lord has revealed and what [the Mormons], through listening to the Lord and being obedient, will help to bring about, to stabilize and give permanency and effect to the Constitution itself. That also is our mission.”

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Yep, what Romney believes is important.

[Elsie]

You might try sticking to relevant facts.

But THAT would not reveal the "un"relevant ones!

[Elsie]

...he was providing a service to the country.

And I am quite sure that this is the same thing that Mitt would claim as well.

[roylene]

THANX

[LukeSW]

I figure it's just how you were taught....or brought up.

No, my belief and testimony of the Savior and of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is based on far more personal explorations, trials, spiritual experiences and observations than "how I was brought up."

As for my tag line, if you Google the phrase, you will find there are some 15 or 16 translations of the Bible listed for John 8:32. All of them use a lowercase t for the word truth, just as I have done in my tag line. No offense or slight of Christ and His name is intended at all.

As for the use of the capitalization of the word The, that is from the legal name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So the term "The Church" is a proper shorthand.

Last, yes we do say The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the true church of Jesus restored to the earth in the latter days. But unlike all of the other sects I know of, we do not say or imply pejorative judgements of other religions. For example, we don't say or imply you are going to hell if you are a Baptist, Catholic or Muslim. Quite the contrary. We fully recognize that our Father in Heaven loves all of his children here on earth. And we believe all will have the opportunity of understanding and learning about the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. If not in this life, in the hereafter. And by all, I mean all who now consider themselves Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Tao, or any other religion, including atheists.

My guess is that you and the vast majority of those on Freepers who seek to find fault with The Church, have had your own wonderful spiritual experiences in life. If we were to have a conversation, I would be delighted to hear of them for I know that is a clear signal of how much the Lord loves you and wants you to learn more about Him, even though we don't see eye to eye.

[Osage Orange]

And we believe all will have the opportunity of understanding and learning about the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. If not in this life, in the hereafter.

So you really believe all of us...Christians will have an opportunity to learn about this "fullness"..( meaning mormonism, right? ) now...or after we are dead?? Who's going to do this?

Let me ask you another question.....Who has the keys to the Kingdom of God....Jesus Christ, The Son of God...or does Joseph Smith have a say in who get's in too?

[Osage Orange]

BTW...."I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life"........should be a no-brainer...for one who knows the Word, and who the Word is.

Use of your "The Church" isn't short-hand....it's mormonism's way of telling Christians they are lacking. In your own words you have more than admitted it. Why deny it?

[magritte]

Boy, are YOU on the wrong thread. This is a black helicopter, Mormons gonna take over the executive branch and make everyone wear magic underwear, dead dunking, where’s them gold plates thread.

Plus, there will be a discussion of a White Horse. Always with the White Horse.

Enjoy !

[Brad’s Gramma]

Yes, Tommy... ;) .... it IS a fair question!!!

[Osage Orange]

Boy....do you not really understand the mormon religion.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Thanks for that link!!!

[magritte]

You’re a reasonable person...here’s a quote from an anti-Mormon from a separate thread. If you would, tell me what you think about it?

“Since Mitt Romney will follow the dictates of the Mormon Church, the entire Executive Branch of the Federal government will be under the conrol of the heirarchy of his church.”

[svcw]

There is little Margi understands.

[Elsie]

My guess is that you and the vast majority of those on Freepers who seek to find fault with The Church, have had your own wonderful spiritual experiences in life.

Need look no further than "The Church's" own writings and compare them tom what the Bible has said.

[Elsie]

You’re a reasonable person...here’s a quote from an anti-Mormon from a separate thread. If you would, tell me what you think about it?

Do YOU wish to appear 'reasonable'?

Explain WHY you have IGNORED post #29 (on THIS thread) QUOTES from MORMONs...

Have YOU no thoughts about them?