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1 posted on 02/01/2012 1:36:45 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Screw the GOP. I am done with them.


2 posted on 02/01/2012 1:41:52 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Jim "Firebrand" Robinson endorses Newt...with EPIC call to action!!)
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To: servo1969

Click to Donate to Newt Gingrich

3 posted on 02/01/2012 1:44:52 PM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God: Newt, Rick and Sarah will be right next to you.)
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To: servo1969
I've been saying this for months now. A Romney nomination likely fractures the GOP -- possibly to the point of no return.

Given the way the party elites have behaved in recent years, I no longer care. Sure an Obama re-election irreparably wrecks the economy and brings about economic collapse, but a Romney Presidency probably does the exact same thing just at a slightly slower pace.

This country isn't serious about reform. Might as well go ahead and have the total collapse now and get it over with. Sure there will be a tremendous amount of pain and suffering, but we will have brought it all upon ourselves as a nation.

If we can hold off the Chinese and other potential scavengers, then perhaps we can start rebuilding from the ashes. Who knows? Maybe then common sense conservatism can at long last prevail.

5 posted on 02/01/2012 1:48:32 PM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: servo1969

Perhaps.

But the Democrats have clearly become the Communist Party, and that seems to have worked out quite well for them.

Yes, very well indeed.


9 posted on 02/01/2012 1:55:26 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: servo1969
What divides the Republican Party is not ideology but access to power. The GOP leadership has no ideology save a perceived self-interest in maintaining their place in the status quo; whether that is as members of the majority or the minority matters seemingly little to them. To this class, political labels are not meaningful statements of value, but rather badges worn to signify group membership.

To be among the Ruling Class is to be a creature of government or else firmly attached to one of its multitude of nourishing teats. Those of us desirous of a more anonymous and privately remunerative life must compete with them not only for political influence, but increasingly, for a right to the fruits of our own labors and to make even minute decisions about the course of our own lives.

In such a parlous state, no nation can long endure. Things eventually do fall apart. And presently, they are.

10 posted on 02/01/2012 1:56:49 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: servo1969

In 1852 the Whigs nominated an old war horse who lost to a political newcomer. A new party was in power 8 years later.

In 2008 the Republicans nominated an old war horse who lost to a political newcomer. Will we have a new party in 2016?


12 posted on 02/01/2012 2:03:01 PM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: servo1969
Unlike the conservatives who are Jeffersonians, Jacksonians, Grover Cleveland Democrats, and Dixiecrats, my family has been Republican since Lincoln. I'll hate to see the Grand Old Party of my ancestors go. But barring a miracle, that just may happen.

Everything seems to be falling apart at once.

13 posted on 02/01/2012 2:07:08 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: servo1969
His goal was to ensure Jeffersonian democracy and fight President Andrew Jackson, a Democrat.

Not quite, but I guess it's kind of in the ballpark.

About the present: Parties out of power exaggerate their positions, and parties in power tend to moderate them. So the Republicans of 1994 were different from the Republicans of the Bush years. So the Democrats of the Bush years made all kinds of claims about foreign policy that weren't supported by the actions of the Clinton or Obama administrations. So the next Republican President isn't going to have the level of tea party sentiment to deal with that was present in 2010. So will the party be as split as he claims if we win?

The other factor is that parties can get serious after a loss. If we lose this time, won't we get organized enough to do it right next time?

Slavery, by contrast, was an issue that didn't go away. You could be say that the Whigs didn't get a chance. They lost in 1852 and the Democrats started to set the scene for civil war.

If the Whigs had won that election, would they have coped better with sectional divisions and not let things decay as quickly as they did? I guess in the end, though, the Whigs did fail, whether they had a chance or not.

14 posted on 02/01/2012 2:09:04 PM PST by x
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To: servo1969

There is no Tea Party candidate in the race.


16 posted on 02/01/2012 2:09:57 PM PST by free me (heartless=no humanity)
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To: servo1969
The Republican Party Becomes the Whig Vichy Republican Party
18 posted on 02/01/2012 2:13:08 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: servo1969

I listened to Newt’s speech last night and he almost sounded like he was campaigning as a third party candidate. Several things he said made me immediately jump to the idea of ‘third party.’


19 posted on 02/01/2012 2:15:33 PM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: servo1969

PING!

Very good article. We’ll see how it all plays out probably by Super Tuesday. If Gingrich takes the lead the Republican party might continue on... and if Romney wins, there will be a split.


20 posted on 02/01/2012 2:17:18 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: servo1969
The Republican Party is about to be cut to shreds, even as the establishment declares victory over those redneck insurgents from the Tea Party. Romney's victory may very well end up being pyrrhic for the GOP in the end.

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22 posted on 02/01/2012 2:22:31 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (EWT OR oBAMA??)
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To: servo1969

23 posted on 02/01/2012 2:30:02 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (EWT OR oBAMA??)
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To: servo1969
The not-so dirty little secret is that the moderate GOPers would be fine with this. They would simply throw in with their "good friends" across the aisle in the Democrat Party. They would still possess some power by doing so as they agree on quite a few things with the Dems. So, their attitude will be, "don't let the door whack your butt on the way out, conservatives". Conservatives will have to come up with a party that is big enough to defeat liberal candidates from either party, which is going to require some work. A unified message would need to be crafted to help draw in new people to the party, a message that stresses freedom, smaller government, and a general theme that the way government has been run since the New Deal days (longer, really) is the wrong track.
26 posted on 02/01/2012 2:44:48 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (The Chicago Way isn't the American Way.)
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To: servo1969

>>Northern Whigs were industrial gurus who hated slavery.

They were gurus? Poor word choice, and a bad editor.

The GOP has failed to achieve its animating purpose. In the US, there is a Leviathan party, which comprises most of the Dem party and about half of the GOP. There are a few doctrinal differences within the Leviathan superparty, but there were also discussions and squabbles in the USSR or China under communism.


27 posted on 02/01/2012 2:46:51 PM PST by oblomov
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To: servo1969

The GOP died when Reagan left office. The two Bushes buried it.


29 posted on 02/01/2012 3:13:18 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: servo1969

The GOP died when Reagan left office. The two Bushes buried it.


30 posted on 02/01/2012 3:13:31 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: servo1969; NoGrayZone; onyx
Glad to see people reading Free Republic, we have been saying that for a couple of Years now

To Hell with the Neo-Whigs and Vichy Republicans if they select ORomney.

31 posted on 02/01/2012 3:14:49 PM PST by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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To: servo1969
The establishment still has its claws in it. Goldwater won against the establishment but failed to beat the Obama of his day. Reagan finally overcame, and then we got the liberal Bush years before and after Clinton. (Reagan could not stand GH Bush).

I think Rockefeller Republican is the worse pejorative I can think of for the establishment.

In other parts of the world, the fight continued as one between Whigs and Tories. Tories today continue the fight by trying to rewrite history by making the great Republican Cromwell into the villain and the Cavaliers into the heroes. Tories tend to look down on Americans and their revolution as unjust and sneer at Whigs as anti-democratic and freedom loving. Tories claim they tried to preserve the moral order that Whigs tore apart, which is laughable since Tories were the favorite of the Hollywood elite of their day (Shakespeare and the playwrites).

Canada produced a great Whig Prime Minister in Wilfred Laurier who was probably more of a classical liberal in his day that his American contemporaries.

Today Canada produces the likes of David Frum, advisor to GW Bush, and great apologist for milquetoast anti-Tea Party conservatism.

32 posted on 02/01/2012 3:15:11 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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