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Titanic mystery over violin 'from band leader who played on'
Telegraph ^ | 1-31-12

Posted on 01/31/2012 9:16:40 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

An auctioneer has hired experts to try to verify claims by the owner of the century old instrument that it belonged to Wallace Hartley, the leader of the vessel’s eight-man musical ensemble.

If proved, it could become the most valuable Titanic artefact ever to be considered for auction. But the claim is being treated with caution as a result.

Hartley and his fellow musicians earned legendary status for their decision to play on as the ship sank on its maiden voyage on April 15, 1912.

They are said to have played the hymn “Nearer My God to Thee” after the vessel hit an iceberg in the North Atlantic.

Press reports at the time said that when Hartley’s body was recovered from the water his violin was strapped to his chest.

The violin and its case were said at the time to be being sent to the White Star line for forwarding to England.

But mystery has surrounded its fate thereafter.

Now the auctioneer Henry Aldridge & Son of Devizes, Wilts, which has a worldwide reputation for handling Titanic artefacts, has disclosed that he has been shown what he believes could prove to be Wallace’s violin.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anighttoremember; auction; chivalry; godsgravesglyphs; hubris; hymn; iceberg; ismay; marconi; music; newyorktimes; seadisaster; ship; shipwrecks; sinking; tcmclassicmove; titanic; treasure; unsinkable; violin
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Fantastic. Can’t believe the incredible reality and “HD” of the 1st (and other related port) painting. Beautiful.


81 posted on 01/31/2012 5:14:17 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: sima_yi

This is it:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130519529232?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150687425580?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

On 1st tries in eBay it seems to be rarer than the others everyone is talking about.

It also seems to have been reprinted c.1998, possibly to capitalize on THAT movie.


82 posted on 01/31/2012 6:07:32 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Mine is a different book. It is called the "Official Edition" and has a red cover. I don't know if the insides (the text) is the same or not. I saw one on e-bay; I would include the link if I weren't HTML illiterate.

It is interesting to see so much traffic on this thread (paraphrasing a previous comment).

83 posted on 01/31/2012 6:58:29 PM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: re_nortex; mickie; hoosiermama
"Would there be any interest in a Titanic ping list? There are a number of highly intelligent posters here on Free Republic interested in all aspects of RMS Titanic: the history, the legends....."

Since I fit right into this category of posters, LOL, I'd be highly interested in being added to such a ping list if one is initiated.

Leni ("Bahama Mama")
(Organizer of three Freeper fundraising cruises to the Caribbean)

84 posted on 01/31/2012 7:23:07 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

DId you know I have a copy of the book that was published weeks after the boat went down. It was a collection of tale from the survivors....Many were in the movie or similar to ones in the movie....No blue jewel.


85 posted on 01/31/2012 7:35:35 PM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God: Newt, Rick and Sarah will be right next to you.)
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To: sima_yi

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-ANTIQUE-SINKING-TITANIC-OFFICIAL-EDITION-GREAT-PHOTOS-/320840479508?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item4ab3953314

That’s it, right?


86 posted on 01/31/2012 7:43:47 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: hoosiermama; mickie
Lucky you...you have a treasure on your shelf.

I imagine it's quite valuable.

But don't give it up if the Pickers come to call, LOL.

Leni

87 posted on 01/31/2012 7:54:04 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MindBender26
Please stop the ongoing, foolish attacks, holding the media to blame for everything. Well gosh,I guess some of the blame should go to the public which accepts the media's lies without question. But which is more evil,the one who lies or the one who believes lies?I'm going to continue to think the liar is the more evil of the two.And more to blame.
88 posted on 01/31/2012 11:02:20 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: hoosierham

The real question is, who is to blame, the crybaby fools who do nothing but complain about it, or those don’t know any better in the first place?


89 posted on 02/01/2012 4:32:56 AM PST by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Yes, that's the one.
As an aside, all the survivors' accounts I've read said the band played "Nearer, My God, To Thee" as the ship went under.
90 posted on 02/01/2012 7:42:06 AM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: MindBender26

A better question might be how does one counter the firm belief many people have in the media ?

I know from experience with co-workers that many simply accept whatever the 6 0’clock newsreader says, and when I have tried to correct the errors with reference to other sources ,been met with derision and scorn.Many will not even consider looking or reading elsewhere for information.So if 51% of the voters base their decisions on bad information I think we are in deep trouble.

Further I don’t think it is whining to relentlessly point out the bias in the media.What other evils would you rather not be mentioned?

Agreed that identifying the bias is only the first step in fighting it;you need to acknowledge there IS an evil AND then take steps to counter it.


91 posted on 02/01/2012 10:11:13 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: re_nortex; NautiNurse; StarFan; DollyCali
With the 100th Anniversary approaching, would there be any interest in a Titanic ping list?

Yes, I'd be interested. Are you running the Titanic ping list? If so, please add me. :-)

My mother and grandparents always told the story of "two Irish relatives" of ours who were in the steerage (lowest class) section of the Titanic, and went down with the ship (two young men). Unfortunately we never learned their names, so I can't prove who they were. Anyway, relatives or not, I've always had an interest in the RMS Titanic.

My husband and I happened to be in Nova Scotia in the summer of 1998 and visited the Fairview Cemetery in Halifax, N.S., the final resting place of many victims of the sinking of the Titanic. One of the graves was marked "J. Dawson". There were mountains of flowers, stuffed animals, movie ticket stubs, etc. on top of this grave, which is actually the grave of Joseph Dawson, an Irishman who worked in the Titanic's boiler room.

Several sobbing teenage girls were standing over the grave, absolutely convinced that the grave belonged to Jack Dawson, the fictitious character in the 1997 movie played by Leonardo DiCaprio. My husband and I couldn't stop laughing - the girls' mother looked pretty sheepish, LOL.

92 posted on 02/01/2012 10:26:01 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: nutmeg
My husband and I happened to be in Nova Scotia in the summer of 1998 and visited the Fairview Cemetery in Halifax, N.S., the final resting place of many victims of the sinking of the Titanic. One of the graves was marked "J. Dawson". There were mountains of flowers, stuffed animals, movie ticket stubs, etc. on top of this grave, which is actually the grave of Joseph Dawson, an Irishman who worked in the Titanic's boiler room.

Several sobbing teenage girls were standing over the grave, absolutely convinced that the grave belonged to Jack Dawson, the fictitious character in the 1997 movie played by Leonardo DiCaprio. My husband and I couldn't stop laughing - the girls' mother looked pretty sheepish, LOL.

I've added you to the every-growing ping list. There's a lot more interest in RMS Titanic here on FR than I thought there would be. It offers further proof that Conservatives are truly thoughtful students of history and the interests cover a broad range of topics.

That story of the "Jack Dawson" grave goes into the category of myths and legends along with "NOPOPE" and the Mummy of Amen-Ra being aboard.

93 posted on 02/01/2012 10:39:08 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: nutmeg

“There were mountains of flowers, stuffed animals, movie ticket stubs, etc. on top of this grave, which is actually the grave of Joseph Dawson, an Irishman who worked in the Titanic’s boiler room.

“Several sobbing teenage girls were standing over the grave, absolutely convinced that the grave belonged to Jack Dawson, the fictitious character in the 1997 movie played by Leonardo DiCaprio.”

Absolutely ridiculous.

This poor man is getting flowers, but for the wrong reasons. What a bunch of dolts!


94 posted on 02/01/2012 11:51:41 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
sobbing teenage girls

Reminds me of those fainting at Barag's campaign events in 08, LOL.

95 posted on 02/01/2012 11:55:34 AM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: nascarnation
idiocy-obama
96 posted on 02/01/2012 12:12:25 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: nutmeg

ROFL! That cemetery story is a riot!


97 posted on 02/01/2012 12:38:34 PM PST by NautiNurse
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To: nutmeg
One of the graves was marked "J. Dawson". There were mountains of flowers, stuffed animals, movie ticket stubs, etc. on top of this grave, which is actually the grave of Joseph Dawson, an Irishman who worked in the Titanic's boiler room.
Several sobbing teenage girls were standing over the grave, absolutely convinced that the grave belonged to Jack Dawson, the fictitious character in the 1997 movie played by Leonardo DiCaprio.

ROFLOL! Thanks for sharing that story. :-)

98 posted on 02/01/2012 2:16:18 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: the OlLine Rebel; re_nortex
More Titanic paintings:


Photographs:

April 5th

Titanic Gym

Titanic cafe

Departure April 10TH

News

Officer's quarters

Debris on the ocean floor

99 posted on 02/01/2012 2:40:50 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; stylecouncilor; the OlLine Rebel; kalee; Vigilanteman; Bubba Ho-Tep; ..
This is mostly a test of the current Titanic Ping List. It also is meant to call your attention to some paintings and images posted today by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (see post #99).

This list will be low volume and won't be abused by needless pings. At present, unless something really major comes along, I don't foresee the next pinging to be until April when interest heightens and A Night to Remember is next shown on TCM.

That is all...and thanks to all!

100 posted on 02/01/2012 2:59:48 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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