Freep a Poll! (Your reaction to the Marine "wizz" video?)

They should have done something socially acceptable....like sawing off their heads and hanging their mutilated cremated bodies from pikes.

What was your reaction to the video that appeared to show Marines urinating on three Afghan corpses?

It’s an unacceptable desecration - 11% (3325 votes)

It’s an embarrassment - 7% (2201 votes)

It’s not surprising — things like this happen in war - 82% (25064 votes)

Total Votes: 30,590

They are only doing what I intend to do to Ted Kennedy’s grave someday.

Didn’t go far enough. Add pigs blood. Might stop em PERIOD

Well since hey can’t fart in Afhguineastan, let the streams a flow, F*** the WH PC a holes.

Pissin songs

Jerry Jeff Walker Pissin in the wind

Elvin Bishop Taliebunnie dead pissin theme song

Dave Chappelle

What’s the old saying...”War is Hell”. Semper Fi! Kill all the taliban you can, guys. Thank you for your service. I find nobama being president more offensive than these guys relieving themselves on these murderous, blood-sucking enemy fools.

My answer? Ever seen a hell hole of torture?( Please do not ask me where, or when, I still go to therapy

Ever smelled the fear and the feces and the horror? The enemy HASS NO Geneva convention or rulles of engagement, so pissing on these folks, is the least of the madness war brings upon once innocent souls. Ever seen a man skinned aive in the hot sun in person demandingin a whisper,"Please kill me.?" Men that are dead, are dead, but what is done to the living is what it the most atrocious and I will comment no futher on just how bad torture, real torture is, men with no hands, no balls, no fingernails, and they scream at night, are they the lucky ones? I think not

I get that. My question was, where is the reward for those who DO master their baser impulses? That is as much the purpose of court martial as for punishment;to exhibit the standard by which the exceptional majority serve and represent. That is the question.

Otherwise, would you have an exemplary purpose for even having stars, stripes, medals, court martials?

People playing defense for the base and for the lowest common denominator is a habit that has had far reach into damaging our culture, schools, churches, hospitals and certainly our government.

These guys have probably done a tour or two and want to piss all over them ROE's,and yeah it may be kinda lame but dammit if a person can't have a GOOD MRE fart for fear of the brig it's time as WC Fields said as he read the ~~Quran~~ , I mean Bible when asked a what he was a doin he replied," Looking for Loopholes." And that's what these men did

Bill Cosby maybe?"Bill Cosby has said, “I don’t know the keys to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everyone.” "

How about a lil poetry from Rudyard Kipland who probably wanted to piss on a few dritbagss:

..just the last verse

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,

And the women come out to cut up what remains,

Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains

An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.

Go, go, go like a soldier,

So-oldier _of_ the Queen!

An piss on that dead Afghani soldier before they cut to your privates they'll slash, try not to scream nor call for help from Eric Holder...hold, hold, holder( okay fixed)-

- Rudyard Kipling

You do have a point okay, but with such madness in those Hindu Kush mountains of unforgiveness where God seems to have left the soldiers to suck it up or die on the plain a dity I just made it on the fly, as arty is blowing holes in our posts 10,000 light years from home.

Miranda rights we take to the fight

Civil and full of our American arrogance

Winning hearts and mionds and don't fart or the shieks will snitch like a baby whines

They told us to take off the scriptures on our scopes

What a bunch of Washington dops, dopes dopes....

For don't they know in ths land of horrors it's not politics and politeness that wins wars

Tell that to the CIA blown up by the Taliban double, they dies in pieces from a "martyr" they say ne'er screaming of sores

Or the SEAL's ironically murdered to held a band in troble

After snuffing that bastard Osama tapping him double

Strange they were killed just a week after the president came in from golfing and spiked the intelligence men threw it all to the wind

Invaded a sovereign nation to get what the wanna be king of 'Merica asked for,

So God bless those sould who dies before us

We caught and killed our quarry sans a Blazing Saddles flurry

Dead they were souls are gone they tried to kill us and hide their guns

But we knew their game, we gave them the handbook

And when they tried to kill us the pucker factor was here

But we had to piss on their graves because them ***ckers and their knaves,

Would cut our hearts out and eat it for dinner if they could

Stack us dead like cord wood after torturing us to death

So thank Gd they got their damned virgns and we still have our breath HOOOOO-AHHH

So maybe it ain't right say Carny and crew

But they don't see these manipulating left handed screws,/p>

Let 'em hit the line, as the afghani says,"'You have the watch but we have the time

But while in country there's nothing civil ever about war

Just killin so lets the Imams and Sheiks roar

For today we earned a hearbeat or two

And strained our potatoes on those that want to kill by their bok the infidels and the Jews

Yeah they make us hand our Quran's

Don't need an excuse as one day we see a fire and the DoD was burning our Bibles,

They million bibles, and what did that do?

Said we can't disrespect them,

But what of our dead,making us see red, 9-11 still echoeing in our heads

Our dying crying to mom and their loved ones, or Jesus, knowing their bowels go last, their last, their last....bloody last.

What of those rules they gave us did it make the Taliban thank us or frag us America's best?

So piss on 'em all I say

make them boiling mad, and screw the PC nutballs who never saw a day , not like to day

This is the land nexty door to hell that you can be certain

And no rule books nor the Geneva convention have seen how these scum be hurting

Say your prayers men, because these liberals will paste our good names' all over the papers and it may be the taliban that'll be torturin and doing the hurtin

But one thing you can be sure of, we bagged 'em and fragged 'em, and you can put me in Levenworth till the day we die

But it was worth pissin on these goat screwing acid throwing female mutilatin scum of the earth

We can win this war America, and hat be he truth

Maybe now they'll come out their caves and try to cut looose,

W came for war, not a pocket full of rules that tell us to be nice , knock twice before we blow in their dirt doors

And piss on the enemy as they torture their own, God help them and the fools in the WH la la unicorn land,

I will never again repeat what I've written, it makes me run to the Lorazapam

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3569628.html

” My answer? Ever seen a hell hole of torture?( Please do not ask me where, or when, I still go to therapy “ <<<

THANK YOU! I read every word, and I will read it again before I respond. Your spirit of thought is astounding, both horrible and awesome at the same time. You are a writer and should be. On the fly, the lines I want to think about are those of yours which follow the paragraph where you mention the Hindu Kush Mountains. Just, wow! Thank you.

I don’t care so much about the actual act, but I DO care that they filmed it (like any moron would) and then published it (again see the morons comment).

The only thing this action does is says “look at us! Aren’t we cool?”. the only outcome is that it will make it just that much harder to to work with the Afghan populace that DOES want to work with the United States to build their future.

The lession: Don’t be stupid. But if you are going to be stupid, do it in a way so everyone won’t see you being stupid.

I do hope they get the UCMJ thrown at them. They have to know better than this.

I don't know Rita. It was bad spelling, and bad rendition of Kipling.>/p>

I also don't understand what you were looking for in tour answer, if I hit it it was accidental pessimism. In this PC day and age I could just see the Guenberg Headlines of the Scot's hanging BA's at the Queens best before the slaughter began.

War sucks and believe me when someone else wrote you're just so hyped and giddy after a battle people do the weirdest sh**, I don't want to elaborate, maybe it's because you're still alive , physilogically the endorphins and the adrenalin are hammering for a synapse but urinating ( if true, sounds like this could be another spin from the Obama camp) on dead scumbags who just tied killing you and you have to watch them torture or make little boys thei "sheep" for the night, well it's just a 'coup de grace,' amongst other things never filed and will never be filed in reports.

” I also don’t understand what you were looking for in your answer, if I hit it it was accidental pessimism. “ <<<<

I think the answer I was looking for; you did hit it by accident. On one hand, valor and exemplary behaviors have their rewards in medals and well deserved recognition for extraordinary action, which are given from a grateful nation, appreciation, respect, and thanksgiving for a glorious act of courage, beyond the call of duty. On the other hand, something like this, this act of debasement, a desecration after a kill, seems to come from a sort of inglorious madness to deliver also a reward, of another kind.

The theater of war and many of its deeds are all together foreign to the sensibilities of man, but maybe the madness of some awful deed must somehow be a man’s defense, surely, of his own soul, surviving in awful battle. In other words, there is no planned valor really, there is just instinct, reaction, and abnormal levels of endorphins, adrenalin, and all those things you mentioned that will sometimes result in different things; sometimes the result of all those endorphins and adrenalin will result in an act of valor, but some other time the same will result in an act of abhorrence, or even an act of cowardice.

My point was on the official reaction to these deeds. One results in a medal and seen as good. The other a court martial and seen as bad. My thought was that the medals are invalidated, when the “bad” behavior is somehow justified, or defended as in this case. That was the discussion I was looking for. Does it invalidate the reward of medals?

You kind of make me think that when in the battle, on the ground and in the moment, you just react. Period. Sometimes it’s a fine reaction and sometimes it isn’t, but good reactions and bad reactions all come from the same place actually. If it does come from instinctive reaction and physiological conditions we don’t control, when we are in a condition of “fight or flight”, either bad or good can happen. Coming down to earth after the kill must take some time and even afterwards some awful things can happen.

I think, now, maybe medals and court martials do kind of come from the same place. I don’t mean that ingloriously, I mean the torment of the moment, of which you wrote so well.

In other words, there is no planned valor really

I'm taking a short piece from your prose. Basically, no, there is no planned valor unless you're writing your own reports for a silver star and a purple heart( guess who that was) No one as you well know is going to earn a medal for such antics. Oh they'll fool so many for so long but those medals are just pieces of tin, pinned on a donkey for power and prestige, not earned, but store bought.

That as immature as looks in the picture blowing off steam( so to speak) and a band of brothers that have worked, trained, slept, pooped, farted( albeit illegal in front of a muslim) living with inane ROE's eating filth or no food at all on recons, and worse. I'm not going to pass judgment though later down this "book" i do say it's immature, but we just don't know the whole story, and we may never. Muslims love this crap because they need hatred to keep fighting, it''s in their ideology, and from a LOT of articles I've read this could be a CAIR plant...but maybe not.

You sem well read but there is a difference to earnig a medal and surviving war with your head still on. Most soldiers and i would like to ask thise question don't mind the medals and honor and valor but i can guarantee you most soldiers who aim for medals get nothing because they are not linemen or a spec ops or some unit or platoon that is in the sh** every day. I believe, having been a part of one of those units all the medals in the world would be tossed into the depest ocean if they could bring back one man, one arm or leg, on brain damaged friend, one human or a child in battle plans that always go awry. They always so, even the one on bin Laden had supplemental back up plans just in case Murphy screwed the pooch and it happened.

Now I was in during the 80's and don't speak much of anything doneas i use the analogy of martial arts that no matter how good one is, there is always better, and landing a punch may be palanned but sometimes it's incredible coincidence one stands upon the stage( and heree i change to military) for the MoH, the Navy Crozz, the Bronze with Valor or a Purple. I tossed all my medals in a fire, threw them over a cliff in Big Sur and in a fire and drank and flipped for years living like a freak in the mountains. The very thought of war brought me to a point I didn't want to see people, any other military ever again and never wanted to read a front page because of the klies, the inhumanity to one another and the ...well a lot of lies to cover a**es.

Now, later in life I have gotten out my flimsy DD-214( the papers that proves you were in and what you did and when) and I still think valor is part and partial coincidence, I do not like to use the word luck becuse I cannot explain it, maybe it's the mystic in me but there's always the tree branch the ricochet, the one pperson in the world that can carry a wounded man to copter just has to be there or maybe a rian squall comes up and a hundred children are saved because of a flash flood. So one person earns a medals and usually the arms of the military are pretty good at that and there are seriously GOOD hard men with big hearts that have earned a cabbage patch full of medals and there's a man that stands next to him with one and they could not live with out each other on the battlefield of hell because maybe one guy was slower but the other guy gave the cover for that man to earn his medals.

Are you understanding? One last because FReepers know I'm long winded whereas another can summarize well with a great sentence or a blistering analogy a paragraph short long. Medals cover a multitue of heroics and a miultitude of sins at times. it is indeed humbling and in a sense embarrassing or lame to earn a medal for just misting twenty guys that were trying to kill you and your platoon but you were in the right place whereas everyone else was pinned even the flankers getting picked off, and you had the right rifle maybe a spooter, maybe not, maybe set up a claymore or had a LAAW that worked and you saved the squad, so throw out the poarade and hip hip hoorahhhhh because were it not for you it would have been someone else so when you see your father, your brother, your cousin( I like speaking of my cousin as he's a SEAL and the kindest person you'll ever meet if on your side) and they'll stick theit medals deep in a lock box and the old paperwork or the photos because one guy they loved died or one danged thing went all to hall and many were killed that day, maybe a civilian, maybe even an enemy you respected( yes sometimes it happens) and no one pulls it out for many years because that valor you speak of caries scars, scars of the heart, scars of the minds, and maybe scars on the sitrep that's all wrong but that's the way it's written.

I can only write so much because like a metabolism everyone is different and deals with war differently. i had few problems( yeah just read above ha ha) but I no longer hunt, I no longer go boozing and no longer teach martial arts unles i know the kid or the man or woman need it or have to have it because it's their turn in the sh** box and maybe war is long range now but martial arts keeps one as focused as anything I can think of to be focused in war.

To get back to the main subject which is a few marines whizzing on dead bodies in which we have no idea of the true story. If they were in a firefight, they're lucky these guys are actually getting a shallow grave, but that's only because dead bodies stink bad. Maybe it was brutal and ruthless so much they felt a little icing on the cake was well warranted and if you're around death and dying enough( whether a doc, a nurse,a firefighter, police officer, an aide workers in Sudan, or a warrior) death is all too common and some, I don't care who you are,but some deserve killing. I do not agree with the videoing of the whole thing but that's me; as I wrote, I'm a mystic, so when the body is gone people can use mine for the college cadaver and smoke dope, party with my wired bones and eat pizza over my liver with the stench of formaldehyde in the air, or they can roast me to powder in an oven or they can bury me ina $20,000 casket the overlooks a beautiful bay only my body is six feet under, and that's where the valor ends; then it's merely betwen God and me, and that is , to me, the only thing that counts.

What we do in this world is what makes us who we are and how we deal with pressure and the worst of what this planet can dish out in these days of imorrality, lost ethics, lies and political BS. I've seen children dying of leukemia or a man with Parkinson's disease, seen lepers and the most amazing ingienous peole living in the middle of war content and happy to give their last chicken for a meal knowing the guys up the road will kill them dead tomorrow, or the Parkinsonian person with no wc and thier family( all medals of valor) waits on him hand and foot, or the leukemia patient that gives you a hug through the chemo that will stay with you until your last breath, or maybe it was one of those guys that whizzed on the enemy and saved you from sure death, that is the person or persons that deserve a medal, a medal of unconditional love, of selflessness that brings me to believe God exists, and so does evil and war, sadly, tragically is the only way to keep some few innocents alive or get thtt food to the real starving, not the rebels( the aid worker recieves the medal but she or he will die if they give that food to the real starving). I can't write anymore. I hope you understand.

God Bless you