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Vivid new Battle of the Bulge photos offer never-before-seen look....
Dailymail ^ | 12-17-11

Posted on 12/17/2011 5:48:40 PM PST by InvisibleChurch

Breath taking pics...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: battleofthebulge
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To: Jedidah

I still have my father, he is 86. He missed the bulge by 2 weeks.

He farms. He worked every day until a year ago. He had quadruple bypass surgery. He was not out long for that, but lately he spends more time with my mother. She has dementia, but they are still lovebirds after 65 years. They met when he stopped in DC on his way to Europe. They wrote throughout the war. When he was on his way home after being discharged he called my grandfather to wire money for a train ticket to my mother. He did. When she arrived in Texas they were married in my grandparents dining room.

He never talked much about the war. Just settled down to farm again and to live his life in peace. That is the way it was and is here.

Pray that it remains that way, but the way things are now. Well we won’t go there.


102 posted on 12/17/2011 8:33:24 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“...I always look at the faces to see if one of them might be him.”

My dad fought in the Ardennes in the Battle of the Bulge. He was a heavy mortarman. When I see pictures of that battle, I also wonder if I might be looking at my dad. It brings tears to my eyes when I see those pictures. I am so proud of him.


103 posted on 12/17/2011 8:38:09 PM PST by mouske
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To: Jedidah

Perhaps w/ the 410th Bomb Group? I’ve been blessed to meet a few of those gents at recent reunions, wonderful collection of memoribilia and pictures they have. Just this fall,I finally got take a drive over the area - from Utah to Bastogne - and on the way back to Paris, dropped by Coulommiers Aerodrome, where they flew from in Dec ‘44. Perhaps your Dad slept right where I was looking. A salute and a tear.


104 posted on 12/17/2011 8:38:40 PM PST by GopherIt
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To: Texas Fossil

Pray that it remains that way, but the way things are now. Well we won’t go there.


World War II didn’t touch the continental United States. I no longer see us protected. I fear for our future.


105 posted on 12/17/2011 8:43:16 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: InvisibleChurch
My wife's Father did not fight at the Battle of the Bulge but was in a unit in the area.

Photobucket

106 posted on 12/17/2011 8:44:30 PM PST by packrat35 (Heartless)
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To: GopherIt; jmacusa

9th Air Force, 387 Bomb Group, stationed at Clastres, France, later at Maastricht.

http://387bg.com/387th%20Bombardment%20Group%20-%20Distinguished%20Unit%20Citation.htm

I have the photos he took of camp that winter. Makes you shiver just to look at them.

I find it ironic that his great-great-great grandfather endured the brutal winter of 1777 with Washington’s army at Valley Forge. History repeating itself.


107 posted on 12/17/2011 9:28:09 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: momtothree

“My husband’s Uncle was there. He told family members that he was never so cold in his life and hoped he would never be cold again.”

Heard the same thing from a vet I used to work with years ago. He was at the Battle of the Bulge. He and two fellows got separated from thier company during battle. He said all they had to eat for three days was an onion and damned near froze to death (on top of being shot at). He said that was the coldest he’d ever been.


108 posted on 12/17/2011 10:02:47 PM PST by myheroesareDeadandRegistered
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To: momtothree

“My husband’s Uncle was there. He told family members that he was never so cold in his life and hoped he would never be cold again.”

Heard the same thing from a vet I used to work with years ago. He was at the Battle of the Bulge. He and two fellows got separated from thier company during battle. He said all they had to eat for three days was an onion and damned near froze to death (on top of being shot at). He said that was the coldest he’d ever been.


109 posted on 12/17/2011 10:02:59 PM PST by myheroesareDeadandRegistered
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To: central_va
The first photo in the UK Daily Mail shows M36 tank destroyers (M4 tank chassis) with the 90mm gun. One M36 has slid off the icy road and into the ditch. The M36 had an open topped turret and thinner armor than the M4 Sherman. However, its 90mm M3 gun allowed it to engage and defeat the heavy German armor (Tiger and Panther).

The problem with Army Ground Force's doctrine at the time was the Tank Destroyer Corps was to engage the German tanks while the Armored Corps was to provide infantry and recon support. In reality, the TD arm was employed like tanks and suffered large numbers of casualties and infantry support tanks were called to fight German tanks more often than not. The tank destroyers had the guns to kill the enemy tanks, but not the protection; the tanks had the protection but not the guns to kill the German tanks.

The US Army's Armor Branch was not equipped with a tank that could meet and defeat the German tanks on a level playing field until March 1945. In January 1945 20 T26E3 Pershing heavy tanks were shipped to the ETO for the attacks into Germany.

Called the “Zebra Mission”, these tanks were equally split between the 3rd and 9th Armored Divisions. Ten T26E3’s went to the 3rd AD, 33rd Armored Regiment, and 10 went to the 9th AD, 67th Armored Regiment. All 20 were engaged in combat operations by March 1945. At the end of hostilities on 8 May 1945, there were 310 Pershings in Europe but only the first 20 Pershings took part in real fighting.

The T26E3 (reclassified M26) in March 1945, weighed 46 tons; had a road speed of 25 mph; a 500 hp gasoline V8 engine; a crew of 5; a 90mm M3 main gun with 70 rounds, a .50 machine gun with 550 rounds and two .30 machine guns with 5,000 rounds; operational range was 100 miles.

110 posted on 12/17/2011 10:50:53 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: jmacusa
No, it is not the M10 Gun Motor Carriage (aka “Wolverine” tank destroyer) with the 3-inch M7 gun. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M10_Wolverine

This is an M10 or M10A1 conversion to the M36 GMC (aka “Slugger”) with the 90mm M3 gun. The major recognition point is the gun mantlet and turret shape. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M36_tank_destroyer

The M36 shared the same weak armor and lack of overhead protection as the M10-series, but its M3 gun could take on and defeat all marks of German tanks.

111 posted on 12/17/2011 11:06:47 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: potlatch

Wow! Those pictures are breathtaking!

Do you know what went through my mind as I was viewing them? I surely hope we don’t have to count on the OWSers or Ron Paul in the future.

I still believe this country has enough young people who love this country and want to defend us, though.

Thank you SO much for the ping! It’s so good to “see” you!

Merry Christmas, potlatch!


112 posted on 12/18/2011 12:44:28 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (Proud barbarian TEA Party SOB and an evil Capitalist.)
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To: unkus; 2sheds
Dad is 88 and under hospice care in a nursing home....

..just recently I brought over an 8 x 10 of dad from that era when he was in uniform...

..dad was movie star handsome in the 1940's and the cheekbones and bright blue eyes remain, as then.

I recently found some letters (written during the war years)...to his mom and dad and brother....

..at the top of the letterhead, he wrote...'somewhere in India'....

He was always very proud of his service....

113 posted on 12/18/2011 5:03:58 AM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: Guenevere
The number of Americans KIA in the Bulge is staggering..as the article said..it's the largest loss of life of US troops in a single action in WW II

There were three main reasons for this:

1. Almost all the US troops stationed in the Ardennes were replacement divisions..just arrived from the US, never seen battle. The were put there because SHAEF expected nothign but occasional small unit skirmishes..they wanted to give these troops a little seasoning.

2. Not only were the US troops raw, but they were vastly undermanned. I've seen estimates that for the length of the frontline, there should have been at least TWICE as many US troops. The rationale given for this was that the Ardennes was viewed as inpenetrable to last German formations..therefore less troops were needed.

3. The cold. US troops weren't well equipped for winter combat. THis impacted their combat effectiveness. More tellign is the ration of KIAs to WIAs in the Bulge. It was much lower than all during most of the European theater. That's because the cold is deadly to a wounded soldier. Totally saps his strength..

114 posted on 12/18/2011 5:27:20 AM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: adorno

John Wayne did not make a Battle of the Bulge movie or for that matter, I can’t think of any movie he made dealing with the European theater. (oops I forgot...... the longest Day)

His movies all seem to be set in the Pacific

I looked for Dick Winters and Easy Company but didn’t see them either. That first picture with the tanks looks like the model for the Band of Brothers set however


115 posted on 12/18/2011 6:01:44 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: MasterGunner01
This is an M10 or M10A1 conversion to the M36 GMC (aka “Slugger”) with the 90mm M3 gun. The major recognition point is the gun mantlet and turret shape. Here:

Of interest is the folded yellow "sheet" strapped down on the aft deck.

Looks like the chemical-recognition material that was supposed to change color in the event of a chemical attack. Alternatively, it could have been a "don't shoot me" identification/recognition device ...
116 posted on 12/18/2011 6:02:01 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: jmacusa
We won’t see the likes of men like this again.

Your statement can't be repeated often enough.

117 posted on 12/18/2011 6:18:52 AM PST by dearolddad
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To: Jim Noble

Interesting. The Germans are always pretty wicked. IMO, a very mean culture. I lived among them for a few years and I could tell you some stories of plain out abject cruelty. For about 50 years they have been largely pacified with long vacations, sick days, kindergeld and other various “social benefits”. All one has to do is wait in a deli line with a group of Germans to see a microcosm of their nature.


119 posted on 12/18/2011 6:48:53 AM PST by riri
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To: InvisibleChurch
This instatnly took me back to the stories my dad used to tell when I was growing up.

These pictures are incredible. Let us never forget the sacrifices Greatest Genreation made. They are almost gone from us.

120 posted on 12/18/2011 6:54:38 AM PST by CAluvdubya
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