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Options for your child's first firearm
youtube ^ | 7 Dec 2011 | Barry & Eric

Posted on 12/08/2011 4:11:32 PM PST by smokingfrog

Not 100 percent comprehensive, but should get some ideas flowing. A good .22 LR rifle is probably the most important firearms purchase you can make for your child or even for yourself.


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To: smokingfrog

+1 got one of these for my daughter and she loves it. Has a big peep sight in the back so target acquisition is easy. Nice little rifle. And, she likes it because it looks like daddy’s .308 encore, except daddy’s rifle isn’t pink. Started her off with cheap Remington subsonic. Very pleased overall


21 posted on 12/08/2011 4:39:47 PM PST by The_Sword_of_Groo ("No mind is thoroughly well organized that is deficient in a sense of humor.")
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To: mylife

My daughter has been using the Modle 60. I didn’t want to waste the cash on somthing she might only use once so since it was laying around I have been teaching her on it. Since getting her used to it she has come to call it “her rifle”.

There have been no safety issues while reloading.

I’m gonna cut a couple of inches off the stock to reduce the LOP and eventually scope it for her if she keeps at it. She really like the little spinner target I got for her too.

Once while shooting at targets she was so proud of her tight little group she ran all the way to the house to get her camera.

She will be 8 next month.


22 posted on 12/08/2011 4:40:12 PM PST by DirtyPigpen
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To: driftdiver

A single shot teaches the youngster to learn to make the first shot count. An important lesson for someone who wants to hunt. Good way to learn about controlling breathing and squeezing the trigger. Teach the kid that it is about accuracy, and not about how fast you can shoot.

They mention Super Colibri primer-only ammo, but I would be concerned about a novice using that in a rifle and not checking for a bullet exit on every round. It may not exit a long barrel rifle. Aguila states to not use the ammo in rifles, but if you use a short barrel rifle and check that the bullet exits, it is OK.


23 posted on 12/08/2011 4:40:41 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: smokingfrog

Hard to beat the 10/22.

I’ve made it a bit of a mission to take friends of the liberal, anti-gun persuasion out shooting (and it WORKS, hehehe! More than one lifelong gun hater now has one!) and the 10/22 is just the easiest thing to put someone on. Yeah, I let ‘em shoot the .357, shotgun and even the 300 Win Mag, but later.

Accurate enough to make one get their breathing and mental focus together before progressing on to more expensive stuff.


24 posted on 12/08/2011 4:40:54 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: driftdiver

My son bought my grand daughter a Cricket single shot .22 rifle as her first firearm in July of last year. She was five months old at the time...


25 posted on 12/08/2011 4:41:50 PM PST by Afterguard
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To: shankbear

Good tip.


26 posted on 12/08/2011 4:42:24 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: smokingfrog
Options for your child's first firearm

Better think about what they, and their descendents, will need for the next thousand years of this New Dark Age.

27 posted on 12/08/2011 4:43:07 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: EasySt

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/10497998/rifles-for-sale/bolt-action-rifle/remington-arms-co-inc.-ln-remington-nylon-66-black-diamond-w-sticker


28 posted on 12/08/2011 4:43:42 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: DirtyPigpen

I can just imagine a scenario where you could be pointing the barrel at yourself while loading it.


29 posted on 12/08/2011 4:47:07 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: smokingfrog
"The Rifles of Twelve April" for August 1999.

By Archy Copyright © 1999

The Rifles of Twelve April

The dot in time that was once April 12th, 1916 has passed, long ago, 83 years back, almost a century. And 1888 was more than a century ago, but some things stand the test of time and last for 80 years, or a hundred, or more. Things like that are said by some to "carry on like an old soldier."

When General Douglas MacArthur retired, he was quoted as having said that "Old soldiers never die- they just fade away...." Whether or not those are the precise words from that retirement speech, the statement's often incorrect, to be sure: some old soldiers go out in a blaze of glory, and some, like a stubborn old Army mule, just never quit.

I once stood on parade for a German General, Hepp, who was retiring after fifty years of service to the German army and the nation that his army served. Fifty years, good and bad, through victory and defeat, doing good- and evil. That was half a century of soldiering from an Old Soldier- an Alte Kamerad- who just didn't know how to quit.

General Hepp had less than half of the time in service though, of the Old Soldier who is the subject of these thoughts. The Old Soldier entered the service of his country's army in 1888, when cowboys were having shootouts in towns of the American West and when sail was still a most common means of propulsion of seagoing ships. The Old Soldier offered his virtues to the rifleman of the day: accuracy, reliability, power. Those are not bad virtues for the rifleman today, either.

The old soldier is the British Service Lee rifle, first adopted for Britain's military forces as the Lee-Metford with a black powder cartridge in 1888, and in 1895 redesignated the Lee-Enfield when changes were made to accomodate the then-new advances in ammunition brought by smokeless powders. By the time of the first World War at least a half-dozen variations or improvements had appeared, and the resulting model came to be known as the Short Magazine Lee-Enfield, helpfully abbreviated to S.M.L.E.

Irreverent soldiers, whose familiarity with their weapon must have bred some contempt, christened their new partner with a pronounciation of that abbreviation, just as today's soldiers pronounce as words some of the acronyms most familiar to them. "Smelly" became the name by which the battle rifle of the British soldier was known; the British poet Rudyard Kipling must have thought that name appropriate, even if he was more familiar with the service Martini singleshot rifle that preceded the adoption of the S.M.L.E.

Then came that Great War, the First World War, the one that carried the hope that it would be the War To End All Wars. Toward that noble purpose artillery, poison gas and the machinegun killed far more soldiers in that conflict than any one soldier's rifle, but for those who survived those other distractions of the Great War, the S.M.L.E. rifle proved to be a reliable companion upon whom life itself sometimes depended. The rifle did its job.

In the Imperial War Museum of England, one such survivor rests in honoured display. Carried in battle by Thomas Edward Lawrence- known in his time and place as Lawrence of Arabia- the rifle is marked with a golden inscription, once a present to Feisal, Prince of the Hashemite Arabians. No less a weapon of the combat shooter's craft for its adornment, it also carries carved into its wooden stock the mark 4.12.16, indicating the 12th of April, 1916, the date of the presentation to another user. Five notches also grace the rifle's slender foreend; their meaning is less well documented but obvious. One, a little larger than the others, is said to have been a rememberance of an officer who fell before the fire of the rifle held by that far-travelled shooter. But on the 12th of April, in long-ago 1916, T.E. Lawrence was prsented his S.M.L.E. rifle; so it is written.

Also written: that T.E. Lawrence, having passed his rifle into the hand of England's George V, from whose ownership it would eventually pass to that English museum of military treasures, would have the book of his life close following a motorcycle crash on the 13th of May, 1935. As it is written....

Other British officers would lead other soldiers of that failing empire, and many of them still carried the S.M.L.E. rifle. Although another improved "Number Four" model better suited for modern manufacture entered production by 1940, the S.M.L.E. soldiered on, with production continuing in the Empire's outposts of India and Australia. Even the Spitfire and Hurricane fighter airplanes that fought and won the Battle of Britain carried .303 machineguns in the same caliber as the S.M.L.E. rifle. They weren't the most modern tools available, even then, but they were what was on hand. They got the job done.

So another worldwide war came about; oh, bother. Eventually, it too was won and it ended and the armies that fought it were downsized. Newer, more modern weapons had been developed, and produced and fielded. And then little wars broke out, all over the place: Palestine and Greece, Burma and Malaya and even open insurrection against the Empire in India and Africa and Eire....The day of the Enfield was not quite yet over, the book of its life not yet closed.

But it was closing. Australian and Nepalese Gurkha troops carried their S.M.L.E. rifles to a war in a cold place called Korea, and some died with those rifles clutched in frozen hands. By 1955, the last regular production run of the S.M.L.E. was completed and manufacture was halted, after more than 65 years of production and service to Brittania and her people. The rifles remained in existance though, and a few still soldier on, still delivering their reliable faithful service to their operators.

The rifle that once guarded the interests of the British Empire was again recently heard as Afghan Mujhadin, some of whom remain armed with their faithful S.M.L.E. to this day, shot holes in the infidel invaders from The Soviet Union who had defiled their holy mountain homelands. On the other side of a troubled globe, news photographs of recent unrest in Mexico's troubled provinces proved that the S.M.L.E. could be found there too, in the hands of the descendents of Zapata and Pancho Villa. Though they may not have known it, the Afghani tribesman and Mexican peasant, though different in almost every way, shared at least one thing in common: their S.M.L.E. rifles.

One of the last S.M.L.E. rifles to leave the factory in India recently came my way. It had been abused but not ruined; some care and some cleaning has cured its little faults and it can now again withstand a soldier's close inspection. It could, I suppose, hang on a wall in a treasured place, like that one in the museum in England. But it was not given to me by a Prince of the Desert and I am not T.E. Lawrence, and besides: That is not the role for which this rifle was meant.

Just so. On the 12th of April, of 1996, the rifle was passed as a gift to another, Just as Lawrence's S.M.L.E. passed from factory to soldier, soldier to Prince, Prince to Lawrence and Lawrence to King- and with a few others in between- and thence, eventually but perhaps not finally, to that museum.

The 12th of April in 1996 happened to be my son's birthday, his 12th. He received the S.M.L.E. from India. one of the last ones made, as a present, celebrating the anniversary of his birth. He was young for such a gift, but not too young; I think that T.E. Lawrence, if he were still around, would have approved; and surely old Prince Feisal would have understood. So, as Lawrence of Arabia once passed along a rifle that he had received and used, so was the S.M.L.E. from faraway India passed to my son on his birthday on the 12th of April, 1996. As it is written...So shall it be!

Lawrence's Enfield Rifle, ot the Imperial War Museum, on loan from H.M. the Queen.

30 posted on 12/08/2011 4:48:07 PM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: mountainlion

I love my M44 but it is too heavy for a kid. I would go with a Henry Youth or a Davy Crickett.


31 posted on 12/08/2011 4:48:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: smokingfrog

A single shot, bolt action .22 rifle.

My first was a Winchester Model 67. If you can find one, or something similar, they make a great 1st firearm. When I was a boy and we were looking looking for my first rifle, my dad was looking at a semi-auto. A wise, old salesman at Bain & Davis in San Gabriel, CA, steered us toward that Winchester. He told us that a young shooter is forced to slow down and make each shot count with a rifle like it. A semi-auto invites the child to use it like a big noise maker; blasting ammo away without learning marksmanship.

I still have that rifle and taught both my wife and my daughter how to shoot using it. I’m really glad that we followed that old salesman’s advice.


32 posted on 12/08/2011 4:50:58 PM PST by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: smokingfrog
0 Bid ($825.00 starting bid)

Holy Carp!

33 posted on 12/08/2011 4:51:48 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: UCANSEE2

34 posted on 12/08/2011 4:52:10 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Pimp your blog for hits on Free Republic!)
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To: smokingfrog

My first was a sinlge shot lever action .22.

2nd was Ruger 10/22


35 posted on 12/08/2011 4:52:32 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: archy

I passed over one of those Indian .308 SMLE’s years ago, and have never seen one since.

Darn it!


36 posted on 12/08/2011 4:54:19 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: driftdiver
Ruger 10/22

Great rifle. I wouldn't choose a self-loader for a first rifle though. Especially one that won't hold open after the last shot.

For his ninth Christmas my son got a Marlin bolt rifle. He is 21 now and uses those learned skills with his '06 Savage. My friends have always been impressed with his gun safety and marksmanship.

Yep, dad is proud about that.

37 posted on 12/08/2011 4:56:57 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: mgstarr

Jest $24.97 down to yore local Walmarts.


38 posted on 12/08/2011 4:58:58 PM PST by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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To: smokingfrog

Mine got a used Winchester 67 in good condition I picked up at an auction. I think I paid $65 for it.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 5:00:49 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: mountainlion
something like a Mosberg M44 which was a US Army training rifle in 1944

I still have the Mossberg 44US that I bought in 1947. It's still a very accurate rifle.

40 posted on 12/08/2011 5:01:45 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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