TOKYO REPORTS HULL PLAN IMPOSSIBLE; RUSSIANS PRESS THE RETREATING NAZIS (12/5/41)

Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 12/5/41 | Otto D. Tolischus, Daniel T. Brigham, Joseph M. Levy, Hanson W. Baldwin

[Homer_J_Simpson]

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[TalonDJ]

You can’t bet without making a pick of time and place.

[CougarGA7]

Maybe so, but I’m sticking with Thailand.

[beebuster2000]

rochefort claimed, as reported by Prange, he never got the winds execute message, and therefore it seems neither did kimmel. is there a different view?

[PzLdr]

“Hahrrywoo!”

[GeronL]

bump

[BroJoeK]

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December 1941:

• "The Night and Fog Decree is issued by Hitler through Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel.
  It allows German troops to execute any obstructive non-German civilians in occupied nations.

• "Generalplan Ost (General Plan for the East), directed by SS chief Heinrich Himmler, proposes the deportation of 31 million non-Germans in the conquered Eastern Territories to create Lebensraum ("Living space") for German colonists.

• " The German Ministry of Occupied Eastern Territories decrees that the destruction of Jews shall continue irrespective of economic considerations; i.e., the allure of unpaid Jewish labor will be ignored.

• " During the murder of 5000 Jews at Novogrudok, Belorussia, 200 Jews resist and kill 20 Nazis before being gunned down.

• " A death camp opens at Chelmno, Poland.

• "Ten thousand Jews deported from Odessa, Ukraine, are murdered at camps at Acmecetka, Bogdanovka, and Domanevka, Romania.

• " Mass murders of Jews in the Ukraine and Volhynia region of Poland are slowed when the frozen ground prevents the digging of execution pits.

• "Fur coats belonging to Jews in eastern Germany are confiscated by the Nazis.
  They'll be used by German soldiers on the Eastern Front.

• "The Jesuit journal Civiltà Cattolica, published in Rome under strict Vatican supervision, reminds Catholics that the Jews are supposedly those primarily responsible for murdering God and that the Jews repeat this crime by means of ritual murder "in every generation."

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[GreenLanternCorps]

I think they’ll strike Hollywood first.

Revenge for those "Mr. Moto" films...

[Homer_J_Simpson]

I’ve got tickets to this weekend’s New York Football Giants - Brooklyn Dodgers NFL game, I hope nothing happens to interrupt it.

I have a strong feeling the game will take place as scheduled. There may be some unusual announcements over the PA, however.

[GreenLanternCorps]

(In character): Unfortunately the last time they tried something against the Russians in ‘39 they got their tails kicked.

(Out of character): The Japanese did really badly at Khalkin Gol as part of a border skirmish. Japan had a light infantry army, which did well against the Chinese, or in a tropical setting. Against Soviet infantry and medium tanks, which completely outclassed Japan’s tanks, they got their clocks cleaned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

[CougarGA7]

Hard to say really. The message appears to be sent to the Army and not the Navy so Rochefort could very well be telling the truth.

It really doesn’t matter anyway though when you think about it. The winds execute message, if received, called for the Japanese recipient to destroy their codes and code machines since war is about to start. There have already been direct messages ordering Japanese consulates to destroy their codes and code machines and Washington and Hawaii have been made privy of this information. So the winds execute message, if it were to be sent, would be redundant anyway.

[tanknetter]

USS Lexington sails with Task Force 12 to ferry Marine aircraft to Midway, leaving no carriers at Pearl Harbor. (Dave Shirlaw)

It also resulted in the rest of the fleet being called back INTO Pearl.

SOP was to always keep half the Pacific Fleet at sea, so long as the carriers were with them to screen and scout. When the carriers were gone (Lex to Midway with fighters, Enterprise to Wake with fighters, Saratoga on the West Coast for an overhaul) the remaining fleet was pulled back into Pearl so that the USAAF could provide protective cover.