ECAT: Two European Web Sites Confirmed By Rossi as Legitimate Partners [and ECAT.COM is now live!]

E-catworld.com ^ | 11/17/11 | Frank Acland

[Liberty1970]

Two European Web Sites Confirmed By Rossi as Legitimate Partners November 17, 2011 For a number of weeks now the website www.ecat.com has been posting videos filmed at the October 6th demonstration on Bologna, but the site’s relationship with Andrea Rossi has not been clear. Yesterday the site was updated significantly, and now appears to be a full service site dealing with E-Cat technology stating that it is “In Association with Andrea Rossi”.

The site includes sections on science, business, patents and products, and on the front page is a form which can be used by potential customers to get on a “non-binding” waiting list to purchase E-Cat products from Rossi’s Leonardo Corporation.

Curious to find out whether the site’s claims of association with Rossi were legitimate, I posted a question on the Journal of Nuclear Physics site about it. Rossi replied, “Yes, it is the website of our North Europe commercial Branch.”

There is a lot of information about E-Cat technology on the site, and a whole section which discusses the science of exothermic nuclear reactions which speculates on possible theories that could explain the E-Cat’s nuclear reaction. It appears this section is not the work of Rossi, but there is no author listed.

With Rossi mentioning that this site is from North Europe, I wonder if there is any connection between it and HydroFusion.com which is an organization that is apparently involved in Rossi’s technology which according to the site is based in the UK and Sweden.

Another organization has been identified by Rossi has an authorized seller of E-Cat products: TransAltech AG as a German language site offering E-Cats for sale. Andrea Rossi commented in response to a question about them, “Yes, they can sell in Switzerland our product.”

While new pieces of the E-Cat commercialization puzzle are emerging, it may be some time before any orders placed for E-Cat plants can be filled. When asked yesterday if any new reactors had been delivered, Rossi answered, “No, the plants are still in construction.”

Frank Acland

[editor-surveyor]

Enjoy the game children.

[Hammerhead]

My apologies.

I just get so .... frustrated at you techo geeks and scientists knowing that I’ll never be ‘in the club’.

: )

I still do not know what an ECAT is nor care.

ok,...I’m getting upset again...better go.

[Hoplite]

One wonders how long Rossi can draw this tawdry little charade out.

Alas, looking at the Steorn folks (um...), these things don't appear to blow up so much as simply fade away.

[Kevmo]

Thanks for the ping

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

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http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144

Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum
-—— or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam;
-—— certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device
-—— and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion
-—— to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat,
-—— to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars
-—— until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table
-—— because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes
-—— and knows that they will just take his word for it
-—— and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

[aruanan]

I see that ecat.com is claiming that fusing nickel with hydrogen is exothermic. Good luck with that.

If greater heat is produced by a reaction than goes into starting or maintaining the reaction, then the reaction, whether chemical or nuclear, is exothermic. If there is a catalytic reaction by which hydrogen is fused with nickel, producing copper and excess heat (amongst other things), then the reaction is exothermic.

[Moonman62]

If there is a catalytic reaction by which hydrogen is fused with nickel, producing copper

If a legitimate scientist wanted to verify that nickel was fusing with hydrogen, producing copper, and wanted to publish the work in a legitimate journal, what would he do?

[Lx]

In some cases the motion is provided by the Earth’s constant vibrations and wobble, and a large coil, a couple of diodes, a sealed battery, and a small light bulb can continue indefinitely, riding those small currents generated as the coil cuts the Earth’s magnetic field.

I'd like to see the schematic for that. Seems plausible but why would you need a battery?

Unless you have a way to make this device hover, how does it cut across the Earth's magnetic fields?

[Lx]

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars
-—— until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table
-—— because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes
-—— and knows that they will just take his word for it
-—— and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!)

Let me highlight the relevant line:

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars

So, does this mean the first buyer was a fake or are you referencing something up thread?

[aruanan]

If a legitimate scientist wanted to verify that nickel was fusing with hydrogen, producing copper, and wanted to publish the work in a legitimate journal, what would he do?

It would depend on whether the legitimate scientist was someone like Edison who wanted to make a huge amount of money exploiting his discoveries for an immediate use or was someone like a lot of academics who, secure in their tenure, want to be known as the first to characterize something (or, like Watson and Crick, to steal someone else's first characterization of something) with no immediate use. Your use of the word "legitimate" is laughable.

[editor-surveyor]

The battery supplies current to keep the light lit during periods where the motion is too small to light it.

They can go for years.

[Moonman62]

A legitimate scientist would look for, in your words, the “other things.” It would be relatively easy to do, and wouldn’t give away Rossi’s methods, unless he’s running a scam.

[Lx]

I’d like to see a schematic for this. Preferably using tubes but then I’d need two, one to power the heater.

I don’t see how this thing works, it’s moving at the same speed as the Earth. Is it taking advantage of the wobble in the axis?

Why can’t it be scaled up to power larger devices?

[editor-surveyor]

LOL! - Tubes, really?

It works exactly because it cannot move with the earth.

The Earth jiggles and wobbles, and the inertia of the coil is forced to cut magnetic lines of force.

A small sealed battery, a large coil, and preferably a bridge rectifyer, and a small light bulb, all in series will work, but refinements can be made to make it work better with one extra diode to place the bulb across the leads of the coil.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Why can’t it be scaled up to power larger devices?” <<

.
Tesla said that it can. I’ve never tried. (money?)

[muawiyah]

Once upon a time I had to review the resume of a fellow who'd been a Soviet defector. He didn't want people to know that because it's dangerous.

He left something like 1944 to 1955 missing ~ so I found out ~ and kept it private.

A couple of Jewish friends of mine at work thought he'd been a Nazi death camp guard ~

The CIA usually does a pretty good job rebuilding life histories for these folks but sometimes a bit of nit picking (44 to 55) nails it to the wall.

[muawiyah]

Bought a load of bricks once from an engineer whose company had been requested by Congress to address the question regarding the magnetohydrodynamic power available in the Florida Straits.

They worked it up ~ the magnets were huge! Monstrous actually and well beyond the then current technology to build. However, there's a regular current there and if you could build the magnets to provide the proper field for the water to flow through, you'd get a whale of a current.

It's not doable though.

[Johnny B.]

Once upon a time I had to review the resume of a fellow who'd been a Soviet defector.

You sure do like to drag threads into totally unrelated directions, don't you?

That Rossi could be some sort of soviet defector is far more ridiculous than anything I've seen claimed here.

Or are you trying to suggest that people in secret re-identity programs go out and spend a year turning themselves into international celebrities with news coverage in dozens of major publications?

How about this complex, vast conspiracy theory: After 35 years, he got the date mixed up.

[muawiyah]

NOt at all ~ that was a trap to see if you'd note that missing parts can show up like a sore thumb to somebody.

Yet, other people just cruise on by.

STUFF HAPPENS.

[Johnny B.]

Thanks for the detailed info, I appreciate it.

Just an FYI update: According to the folks on the Vortex mailing list [LINK] Rossi has a Master's Degree, not a Doctorate. I've given up trying to understand Italian translated to English by Google Translate. It just isn't up to the apparently florid nature of much Italian writing.

[Lx]

The tubes part was a joke.
Do you have a schematic? I’ll breadboard it this weekend, I no doubt have all the parts already and I’ll let you know its performance.

I should be able to leave it in my office and just let it light the bulb, while at the same time have the exact same type and voltage battery hooked up to the exact same light (with just the battery and light) to form a control. If the circuit you provide lasts longer than the control, it works. Hopefully both lights will burn at the same brightness.