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Shockingly, I am Leaning Toward Newt
none | 11/5/11 | originalbuckeye

Posted on 11/05/2011 7:19:16 AM PDT by originalbuckeye

Having watched several of the debates, I am becoming convinced that Newt might be the only one that can beat Obama. He will destroy Obama in the Presidential debates. Can he overcome the destruction that Big Media rained down on him in the 90's?


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To: JimWayne

he’s the much lesser of the Rhinos a term that would even apply to Limbaugh according to most posting on these pages.
SWo you think the answer is Ron Paul. Laughable.


81 posted on 11/05/2011 8:05:22 AM PDT by rjsclassics (bringing people together)
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To: originalbuckeye

I like him but unfortunately he has a terrible case of foot-in-mouth disease.


82 posted on 11/05/2011 8:06:34 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: hinckley buzzard; originalbuckeye
Gingrich has been married three times. In 1962, he married Jackie Battley, his former high school geometry teacher, when he was 19 years old and she was 26. In the spring of 1980, Gingrich left Battley after having an affair with Marianne Ginther. In 1984, Battley told the Washington Post that the divorce was a "complete surprise" to her. According to Battley, in September 1980, Gingrich and their children visited her while she was in the hospital, recovering from surgery, and Gingrich wanted to discuss the terms of their divorce. Gingrich has disputed that account. In 2011, their daughter, Jackie Gingrich Cushman, said that it was her mother who requested the divorce, that it happened prior to the hospital stay (which was for the removal of a benign tumor, not cancer), and that Gingrich's visit was for the purpose of bringing the couple's children to see their mother, not to discuss the divorce. Gingrich has two daughters from his first marriage. Kathy Gingrich Lubbers is president of Gingrich Communications, and Jackie Gingrich Cushman is an author, conservative columnist, and political commentator whose books include 5 Principles for a Successful Life, co-authored with Newt Gingrich.
Six months after the divorce from Battley was final, Gingrich wed Marianne Ginther in 1981. In the mid-1990s, Gingrich began an affair with House of Representatives staffer Callista Bisek, who is 23 years his junior. They continued their affair during the Lewinsky scandal, when Gingrich became a leader of the Republican investigation of President Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with his alleged affairs. In 2000, Gingrich married Bisek shortly after his divorce from second wife Ginther. He and Callista currently live in McLean, Virginia. In a 2011 interview with David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network Gingrich addressed his past infidelities by saying, "There's no question at times in my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate."

Nobody's a Saint, and Wikipedia's not the best source for info, but in addition to some political doozy decisions (couch with Nancy, etc), Gingrich has made some horrible personal ones.

He fools around and divorces his first wife, then does the same with his second wife DURING THE LEWINSKY SCANDAL, and blames it on his passion for the country... WTF?? Sounds like Jesse Jackson "counselling" Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal while fathering his own love child, or John Edwards sowing his oats while his wife battles breast cancer.

Add his personal and political missteps = not trustworthy. IMHO

83 posted on 11/05/2011 8:07:06 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo

A man who cannot be honorable in his marital relations cannot be expected to be honorable in any other.
- Harry S. Truman


84 posted on 11/05/2011 8:11:05 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (Nov. 6, 2012 - Rebut, refute, reFudiate!)
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To: originalbuckeye

Not so shocking. Newt’s a smart guy. Better than a Romney or a Perry. Cain and Newt would be way better than the current socialist occupant in the White House.


85 posted on 11/05/2011 8:11:28 AM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: 2007 Crusader
yeah yeah yeah I heard all this same emotion based hype from the GOPbots in 2008 about McCain, about Dole in 1996 about both Bush's.

Sorry not being suckered yet again.

Sorry no interest at all in working to elect yet another good little faux Conservative Liberal GOP Establishment water boy like Newt. The time for political temporizing and expediency is over.

Lead or get out of the way.

It appears the GOP Establishment still does not get it. Our nation is too far past the point where this "politics as usual" nonsense the GOP Establishment wants to play in 2012 is a viable political strategy

86 posted on 11/05/2011 8:11:30 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: originalbuckeye

I’m not.


87 posted on 11/05/2011 8:13:33 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: daniel boob

Newt would castrate Obama. And the media will do everything they can to castrate Newt.


I’m all for Obama’s castration....a couple of debates would do it.


88 posted on 11/05/2011 8:14:00 AM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: originalbuckeye

Well, anybody is better than Obama. It occurred to me yesterday that -—because of Ronald Reagan’s Social Security tax increase that brought Social Security revenue surpluses for 30 years-———it gave them Democrats their “trust fund” and obligated taxpayers to pay it back with interest. I consider this a huge political and economic blunder by Reagan and payroll taxes are tough on small business and wages and creates obstactle to work and save and create new jobs.

Arthur Laffer claimed that the most important tax change is to get the top tax rate under 30%——and Reagan raised the Social Security tax and gas tax to do that-——really making our fiscal situtation worse and skewing the debate about Social Security.

In order to get the top income tax rate under 30% for everybody......Reagan had to raise the SS tax, take away middle class deductions-—and make the tax code STEEPER—by having the highest rate of 28% rate kick in at just $18,500 taxable income.

There’s no reason why there should be a cap on the Social Security tax and no reason why businesses should have to pay it except to disguise its size. Small business is at a disadvantage because of the payroll tax-—because the small businessman has to pat double payroll tax on himself and on each employee, whereas the CEOs of big corporations only have to pay half as much payroll tax—if that.

If you look at what Reagan left us-—ie a SS “trust fund” to pay back and higher government spending and debt-——you have to say he was better than Carter but not a good or great president. He raised the capital gains tax and appointed Greenspan to the Fed—with his “conudrums” and “irrational exuberances” and inexplicable rate cuts and increases and errabt economic forecasts and poor oversight over banks and lending.....

But—besides creating a Social Security “trust fund” that forces us to pay it back with interest-—the Reagan tax policy had people earning less than $50,000 a year—when you add up their income tax and payroll tax and business side of payroll tax———and they were paying up to 40% and more in tax to the Federal government under Reagan.....which harms BOTH the supply and demand side of the economy.

Reagan was a man of the past and his own time-—and it’s a BAD idea for Republicans always to look backward at Reagan and Reaganomics—which ended with the Savings and Loan crisis.

Ironically-—even though Reagan was barely better than Democrats with his tax policy towards most people and his fiscal policy...BUT

because he raised taxes as president and as governor of California-—then Reagan himself does not even fit with the current Republican defintion of “Reagan Republican”. We should bury the term and be leaders looking into the future and not followers of the Reagan who never existed.

It would be wise for Republicans to apologize for the Social Security tax surplus and trust fund created by Reagan and to eliminate payroll taxes to make up for their Reagan past.

Because there’s no tax cap on Medicare and because Social Security pays for disability and survivor’s benefits for children, then there’s no reason why the rich should NOT pay their fair share—and you do that by eiminating all payroll taxes and the corporate income tax and taxing all income as “regular income”.

Arthur Laffer never explained why first dollar payroll taxes don’t count in his calculations about rates and thus he has little credibility except with some people of the right.

I say we go back to the Clinton tax code but without payroll taxes or the corporate income tax...with only ONE deduction...ie a $16,000 standard deduction. And because we get rid of payroll taxes, we raise the lowest rate to 19%.

Thus.....after your $16,000 standard deduction, you pay rates of 19% and 28% ( at $125,000) and 31% (at $250,000) and 36% (at $500,000) and 39.8% at $1 million—indexing the standard deduction and brackets for inflation and eliminating business payroll taxes and the corporate income tax and taxing all income the same without distinction between investment and regular income. But you bring back income averaging...so that people can spread out capital gains over time——

and regarding the “death tax”-—you let people pay that over time and if people take over a family business, then you only tax it when they sell the business, but not if they continue running it.

And maybe you exempt some capital gains income held for retirement.

Having tax deductions for charity and even for children is bad policy and bad morals. We spend a lot of money on children and therefore we cannot afford to say that the people with the most children for government to support should pay the least taxes.........

Having a single , larger standard deduction of at least minumum wage and no payroll taxes—sends the right message about work and incentive to work and save and invest and it treats single people fairly and people without dependent children fairly, too. Remember you DO have SS child survivor’s benefits-—so how can you have a big child tax credit, too????

Deductions for charitable giving are a terrible idea-—and it would be better to have a $25,000 standard deduction on income tax and no payroll taxes than to allow any deductions for charity.

Right now, the standard deduction is below minimum wage but the “rich” can deduct more for charitable giving than the working poor can to support themselves. Does that make sense” NO!!!!!

You want inventives for WORK, not giving your hard-earned money away. Why should there be MORE reward for giving the money away you EARNED by producing a good or service or providing capital for such-— when we don’t reward people for earning it in the first place????

Republicans put themselves in deep doo-doo because Reagan’s policy created the Social Security trust fund that Republicans now don’t want to have to pay back......and by also signing on to Obama’s pandering TRICK of cutting the SS tax for one year prior to election year, thereby

daring the Republicans to raise the SS tax in an election year.

Republicans need to come clean on Reagan and the mess he created by running Social Security surpluses for 30 years on the back of the middle class and small business.

The BEST was to remedy that is to do what I say above-—or else just go back exactly to the Clinton tax code in 1993-—but with payroll taxes or corporate income tax—but by raising the standard deduction to minumum wage....


89 posted on 11/05/2011 8:15:25 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: originalbuckeye

The more I listen to Newt the better he sounds. During the debates the other candidates are not even in the same ballpark with him. That being said I am still not sold on anyone


90 posted on 11/05/2011 8:15:38 AM PDT by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: originalbuckeye
Shockingly, I am Leaning Toward Newt

So, I guess that makes you "originalbuckeye of Newt."

91 posted on 11/05/2011 8:17:15 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hail to the Thief)
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To: x_plus_one
Newt is a slimy weasel who is getting a pass by the media. No one is talking about his corruption.
A) Newt has never gotten a free pass by the media.
B) If there were (real) corruption, it would be on page one.
C) Why don't you post his "failings" (other than sitting on a couch).
92 posted on 11/05/2011 8:17:34 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: originalbuckeye
Yeah, they will shoot Herman down in flames, then Newt will rise in the polls and they will do a hatchet job on Newt! In the end we will wake up and find that the enemy has picked our candidate for us AGAIN!

It's time to pick our candidate and fight, not to run in fear every time we get attacked.

93 posted on 11/05/2011 8:17:58 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: bert

I think Perry would kick butt all over Washington but alas, he is fading fast


Perry can’t even kick butt in a debate...not cut out for the big time IMHO.


94 posted on 11/05/2011 8:18:06 AM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: originalbuckeye

I don’t think people give a crap about all of this personal stuff anymore...we have bigger problems that something that happend in peoples’ personal lives decades ago. The fact that the Cain smear didn’t phase his polling numbers reflect this.

You can bet that Newt knows exactly what will be thrown at him...and he has a response prepared for every upcoming smear.


95 posted on 11/05/2011 8:19:15 AM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: rjsclassics

That’s my emerging position, too.


96 posted on 11/05/2011 8:19:45 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: geezerwheezer
some one needs to explain why he had a half million dollar credit at Tiffanys.
Really? In the United States of America? Get a life.
P.S. He didn't "blow" the impeachment - Clinton WAS impeached.
97 posted on 11/05/2011 8:20:52 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Thanks for the laugh. But please know, ‘I am not a witch’!


98 posted on 11/05/2011 8:23:05 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: oh8eleven

I find it appalling that in the USA, anyone can be trashed for spending their own money. A Leftist position......all your money is mine as you don’t do the right thing with your money. This expenditure is NO ONE’S BUSINESS! Unless you are a Leftist who thinks that all the money in the country is yours to do with what you want.


99 posted on 11/05/2011 8:25:12 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

Well, I never thought I would forgive him for the Pelosi ad, but I must admit, he is looking better all the time. I think he would be a very good —> great president, but can he beat Obummer?


100 posted on 11/05/2011 8:25:30 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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