Italian scientist claims he has achieved 'cold fusion'

The Daily Mail Online ^ | Last updated at 4:56 PM on 4th November 2011 | By Martin Robinson

[Kevmo]

Andrea Rossi says his new machine fuses nickel and hydrogen at room temperature creating almost unlimited energy .

But there is one problem - many scientists claim it defies the very laws of physics. Several high-profile demonstrations of 'cold fusion' have been proven to be hoaxes in the past - and no one can adequately explain how or why it might work .

The United States Department of Energy the U.S. Patent Office say the process is impossible because physics rules out the possibility of room-temperature nuclear fusion .

But Rossi's E-Cat machine can allegedly do it, and he says he proved it worked during tests at the University of Bologna last month .



Key: Rossi says he has produced a pattern of triple track atoms, pictured, which is at the heart of the cold fusion theory


'We have nothing to say, just to make plans that work properly and let those facts win against the scepticism.'
Sterling Allan, CEO of the alternative energy news agency Pure Energy Systems, told FoxNews.com he attended Rossi’s demonstration and the E-Cat is self sustaining .

'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.

[Wonder Warthog]

"While a net energy output was observed, no ° excess (with energy above 200keV ) has been measured above the natural background level (< 180Hz rate in single mode, compared to an expected rate largely in excess of 1MHz)

HERE is what the report says. "180 Hz" is the same as "180 counts per minute". Note that "net energy output" is referring to heat, and "no excess" refers to detected radiation above the 200 KEV photon energy level.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Repeatable means that other researchers, using different test equipment at different labs have repeated the experiment and gotten comparable results.

Again. That is SCIENTIFIC proof. There are other kinds of proof.

And, in point of fact, several scientists, using different test equipment, at different labs, HAVE reproduced the overall phenomenon. So that meaning is OUT.

The only proof that remains is whether Rossi's specific gizmo works as he says.

"This is another "Rossi said" moments that you are willing to implicitly trust.

Sorry....wrong. I trust DATA, not Rossi. You and those like you always discount that there are other people making observations during the tests. People with very relevant expertise and background. So it's not a question of "implicit trust" in Rossi.

"Given Rossi's shady past, the parts of this story we know are phony (his degrees, the nonexistent people on his so called Board of Advisors, the Florida factory that turned out to be a 5th floor apartment, and so on ad nauseum), it's ridiculous to trust Rossi at all.

Blah, blah, blah. Stop wasting my time with this crap. The only thing that matters here is that the equipment exists, is being tested, and data exists about it.

[PapaBear3625]

Are you saying it is not a nuclear device?

Your original statement was "He is going to have to transport it as a radioactive device". There is no current evidence that an accident while transporting an Ecat would pose a risk of radioactive material being scattered over an area, therefore they would not need to "transport it as a radioactive device".

[Johnny B.]

Again. That is SCIENTIFIC proof. There are other kinds of proof.

Sorry, I don't accept the "ex-con claims" type of "proof".

And, in point of fact, several scientists, using different test equipment, at different labs, HAVE reproduced the overall phenomenon. So that meaning is OUT.

Most of them are working with completely different reactions, and none of them have Rossi's "secret" catalyst to test, so your statement is false.

To the best of my knowledge, no one doing legitimate LENR research is rushing their gadgets to market. Rossi is the only one acting like a late-night infomercial.

You and those like you always discount that there are other people making observations during the tests. People with very relevant expertise and background. So it's not a question of "implicit trust" in Rossi.

Using Rossi's test equipment, installed by Rossi, and allegedly calibrated by Rossi. Even then, Rossi has limited what they were allowed to witness. Any half-compentent magician could do better than Rossi has done.

Blah, blah, blah. Stop wasting my time with this crap.

Wow! You really got me there. I am shattered by the power of your argument.

OK, I won't bother you any more. It's clear that you are unable to argue your position effectively.

[PapaBear3625]

But no one but Rossi knows how to turn it on or turn it off! No shipper in his right mind will accept it for shipment nor could it ever clear customs.

It is nothing at all until it is assembled at the customer site, the canisters filled with his nickel powder, and the hydrogen hooked up. (The skeptics would then say it is still nothing , but that's another discussion). So Rossi could just ship the parts unassembled, and have an installer put it together at the customer site.

Similarly, when you take the nickel and hydrogen out, it is once again just hunks of metal.

In any event, we will know more once Rossi gets more customers and we finally find a customer who will come forward and attest to what he sees when the unit is in operation.

[Free Vulcan]

And you concluded then that he’d have to transport it as a radioactive device. Wouldn’t need to say that if it didn’t work, so I take that as you conceding that it does work. Otherwise what’s the point of discussing it?

[count-your-change]

I quoted what was said so you have a point here or not?

[dinodino]

Uh, 180 Hz is 180 counts per SECOND, not per minute...

[dinodino]

On another thread, weren’t you the one claiming that you could “characterize” Rossi’s device with just two thermocouples? I don’t recall where you ever explained to the class just how you would do that, Professor.

Since you’re talking about data, mind telling us now?

[muawiyah]

You can go to Bed Bath and Beyond for this honey available at $44.95 ~ in this configuration the capacity is a mere 320 pounds ~ no porkers here eh.

Obviously this will NOT stand up to a huge 13,000 KG item, but the only claim of a picture of a bathroom scale in the Rossi videos is where one was used to weigh a module ~ at 80kg ~ for which this scale would be satisfactory.

At the moment this particular scale is calibrated at .2 pound increments but you reprogram the chip and toss in a more robust bit of coding for counting you could probably run the precision all the way out as far as the chip's adding machine is capable ~ (thinking of chips in terms of their devices is a good way to understand what the force measurement device is doing).

You'd need a stronger containing frame to weigh 13,000 kg, but why would you need that much capacity when you are only weighing 80 kg.

[dila813]

I saw one of the writers of one the blogs you posted on free republic wrote the next nearest was 11 watts. I am just repeating his analysis/observations.

Maybe you writer was full of bs which wouldn’t surprise me.

[Johnny B.]

At the moment this particular scale is calibrated at .2 pound increments

Which brings up the difference between precision and accuracy. It may be reading in 0.2 lb increments, but it could be off by several pounds.

I recall reading that Rossi "calibrated" his scale by having someone who claimed to know their weight stand on the device.

That's nice and all, but not particularly reassuring that they were getting accuracy in the gram range, which is what Rossi was claiming.

I don't see that measurement as being particularly significant. Whether he add 50 grams or 100 grams doesn't really make any difference as far as I can see.

What's much more important is that Rossi has consistently refused to do a "null" test, where he didn't inject any hydrogen to demonstrate that his device behaves any differently when hydrogen is absent.

No doubt Rossi's fans will suggest that he may have done such testing in secret, but "Rossi said" is not evidence.

[dila813]

The federal government doesn’t give a rip if he could construct it over there.

You still need a license and you need to declare your export.

[dinodino]

I agree. You’d think Rossi would have done this exact thing a hundred times in his lab: run the water through but without pressurizing the cores with hydrogen. One would expect any temperature measurements to be vastly different between the two scenarios...

...UNLESS it would show that the hydrogen does nothing at all.

Why did Rossi stop the radio-frequency stimulation of his reactors?

[muawiyah]

You could probably do that ~ stand on this scale ~ but I doubt it can get too much out of balance.

It's battery powered as well.

The device that WEIGHS will work perfectly every time since it is manufactured to do that.

The device that READS the current flow will also work perfectly every time for the same reason.

The computer processing chip will also do the same.

What you are "adjusting" on these kinds of sales is "the PROGRAM" that evaluates the information flow coming from the device reading the current.

You might also need to adjust the weigh platform ~ that is CENTER it ~ to improve performance.

In any case, the only reason it generates a report at each .2 pounds is the DISPLAY SPACE allocated for that purpose is only so big. You could go 320.1 pounds and read it from above. Unless it's a locked in LQD, or a series of LEDs (kind of an old fashioned way to do things) you might be able to drop a different program on the chip and report out a number in 6 pt type that would give you maybe 50 digits of precision?~?~ whatever you wanted.

This is NOT a mechanical scale and I have no idea where you'd find mechanical scales outside of OHAUS ~ you might want to take a look at this page to check out their currently available inventory. You'll notice immediately that the high precision devices have a COVER ~ to avoid weighing your own breath ~ but the devices targeting heavier weight materials do without it ~ but I assure you they can still have trouble with breath which is why the program on the chip stops counting after so many millions of iterations: >http://us.ohaus.com/us/en/home/products.aspx

[NewinTexsas]

Apparently you missed the 1MW test data acceptance sheet where he weighed the H2 cannisters at over 13,000 kg.

BTW, I am STILL waiting for you to present the specs of a strain gauge that will measure one part in a billion ...

[NewinTexsas]

No evidence was provided that the device was, in fact, a bathroom scale,

Obviously you have NOT read the test reports. From the written info on the test equipment used. A bathroom scale calibrated by two people that knew their weight.

[PapaBear3625]

The federal government doesn’t give a rip if he could construct it over there. You still need a license and you need to declare your export.

You need to declare WHAT you're exporting. You don't need to declare what the customer is ultimately going to use it for. One supplier is exporting steel cylinders of particular dimension and thickness. Another supplier is exporting nickel powder of particular degree of fineness. Etc.

I find it interesting that the prime detractors are currently shifting from "it's a fraud and a con and can't possibly work" to "it's a dangerous nuclear device and should be banned until he proves it safe" without at any point pausing at "well, it might actually be doing something in the area of cold fusion".

[muawiyah]

That was undoubtedly a GOOGLE.COM translation.

That system works very well but ideomatic expressions frequently get screwed up, so I'd trust a translation through Google.com only if the person doing the job ALSO knew Italian.

But it doesn't matter if it could handle 80 kg. We are long past the day when spring scales gave you spurious weights.

[muawiyah]

What you need to do is provide a copy of that "test data acceptance sheet" or a URL that will take me to it.

Strain gauge is quite a general term, and so is load cell these days. So, look at the OHAUS catalog ~ they have all sorts of devices there.

A mass spectrometer can measure 1 part in a billion.

Are you aware what "billion" means in English English?