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Mark Levin - Marco Rubio Was Born In Miami Florida He Is A Natural Born United States Citizen
The Mark Levin Show ^ | Sept 27, 2011

Posted on 09/29/2011 8:43:31 AM PDT by Politics4US

Mark Levin says Rubio is a natural born citizen, and threatens to ban birthers on his social sites.


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; impeachhusseinobama; levin; levinlive; marcorubio; marklevin; naturalborncitizen; naturalborncuban; nbc; obama; rubio
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To: Herbster

Hats off to you, Herb. You said it much better than I did/could.

However, I do give myself some credit for an idea I tossed out up thread. Namely, why couldn’t some enterprising person dig up a big slab of US soil and haul it to China. They could charge top dollar to any woman who wanted to give birth to a US citizen. Just deliver the baby on what is unquestionably American dirt, and voila—a brand new NBC!


441 posted on 09/30/2011 2:24:37 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: chris37

I agree with almost everything you said and appreciate the earnest discussion. That’s exactly what we need.

Regarding Glenn Beck, I have pleaded with others to go lightly on him for the same reasons you said. That doesn’t mean I have to keep listening to him though. I have a hard time respecting anybody who can so relish mocking the people that THEY KNOW ARE RIGHT. Glenn Beck knows he and every other on-air personality has been told they, their careers, and their families may be sacrificed if they allow earnest consideration of the eligibility issue. He knows we are right. And still he mocks.

The advertising for his latest venture talks about people being able to get the truth even if there are “sacred cows” in the way. Maybe that is his peace offering to us - an ever-so-veiled way of letting us know that eligibility is a sacred cow and the powers-that-be would not let him tell the truth about it. Somehow it doesn’t make the wheels of the bus crushing our faces into the dirt feel any better.

I’m sure Beck is on the same team and mocking the people who know the truth is just a shrewd strategy. Doesn’t mean I have to like it, because in the end it isn’t shrewd strategies that defeat the kind of enemy we’re facing. In the end, what defeats this kind of enemy is the LOVE between neighbors which compels us to keep persevering even when all odds are against us, as the odds are deeply against this country ever going back to the rule of law. The greatest enemy we face is isolation from the body of like-minded, freedom-loving, neighborly people. The greatest weapon the enemy wields against us is the ability to make our love grow cold by the increase in lawlessness. And that is where we’re at right now.

I am content to let Solyndra, Fast and Furious, Black Panther-gate, Walpin-gate, Chrysler-gate, etc ad nauseum take their toll on Obama. Maybe something will come of those things yet, but just as Obama’s people have gotten all the government entities to forge or alter documents for him on the eligibility issue, they are getting the FBI, DHS, DOJ, etc to skirt justice on these other issues. We can all see the corruption, but we can’t do a thing about it. The system has effectively tied our hands.

The only power we have left is to vote but even that can be diluted by dead and illegal voters, voting machines that have the results ready to publish before the vote even takes place (ala Manuel Zelaya in Honduras), courts that change the rules for vote interpretation, or - not least of all - the ability of Obama to stir up riots and flash mobs so he can declare martial law. Within a couple days’ time a couple dem leaders floated the trial balloon of saying that elections should be suspended, which is just the kind of warm-up the leftists always use to take the shock away when they do what they intended to do all along.

And even if the vote is allowed to happen and we replace Obama and his bureaucracy, it’s only a matter of time before this unaccountable system corrupts the people we do put in place. The corruption of the whole good-ol-boy cesspool - the “Ring of Power” - has to be addressed, and that isn’t going to happen by creating a culture which mocks those who point it out and actually care about the corruption OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

I’m glad Glenn Beck is attacking the corruption within the leftist society. When is he going to attack the republican corruption which pointed fingers and mocked the people shouting “Fire!” while our foundation was torched to the ground by the leftists? He’s not going to attack that because he was right there with them on the granddaddy issue of them all - the eligibility issue, which allowed Obama to gain control over every regulatory agency in this country, the cabinet, and the military. Huge foundations. It seems to me that Beck joined with Sauron in order to fight Sauron. Somehow that never seems to work. I don’t question his intentions, but I do question the wisdom.

I think the only way the eligibility issue ends up helping Obama is if people like Beck and Levin mock it. Obama has put out 2 bad forgeries and the HDOH is claiming they don’t have a birth record for a dead little girl who is listed on their birth index and whose number is very likely to be exactly in the number-order that Obama’s supposed BC# is - a number that doesn’t work for his situation but would work for hers.

I suppose as long as they’re going to mock the need for the rule of law - such as forgery, perjury, and extortion laws - we have to play with the hand we’re dealt. But it makes no sense to me for them to mock this unless they’re “just following orders” from their captors. In which case anything they do could be at the orders of their captors.


442 posted on 09/30/2011 2:25:14 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: SoJoCo
If everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant then you must come across a lot of ignorant people

Not so much for your kind are few and far between here

443 posted on 09/30/2011 2:31:21 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Fantasywriter

“Why couldn’t some enterprising person dig up a big slab of US soil and haul it to China. They could charge top dollar to any woman who wanted to give birth to a US citizen.”


Excellent illustration of the absurdity being spewed by Levin and others.
Some enterprising American should start selling that in the classified section of the papers.

I’m still working my way back in this thread from the last post. :0)


444 posted on 09/30/2011 2:32:07 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: DiogenesLamp
Oh, I've got more that I will pull out as the election cycle gets heated up and the candidates start hitting the more rural areas where they are easier to target with questions. If we do not get the 14th Amendment citizenship restored, we can forget about getting Article II natural born citizenship restored. Sad, but it is the truth.
445 posted on 09/30/2011 2:33:59 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Fantasywriter

Maybe a five pound bag of authentic American soil spread across the delivery floor or bed....


446 posted on 09/30/2011 2:35:23 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: butterdezillion

Originally, it is from old-timey cases and is found quoted in the Wong Kim Ark case, and then quoted in the Ankeny versus Governor case. Do you need linky thingies???


447 posted on 09/30/2011 2:36:45 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The U.S. Constitution mentions “born” twice - it doesn't mention “conception” even once.

To be a U.S. citizen one must either be BORN a citizen or be naturalized as a citizen. There is no law for naturalizing anyone in utero.

448 posted on 09/30/2011 2:38:44 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Squeeky
“I expect that most Judges are ignorant of the original meaning of “natural born citizen” and I believe that if it ever gets to court, many judges will just rule that 14th amendment is all that matters, and they will so rule him qualified.”

And you know how I bet this happens??? I bet when they go to law school, the professors didn’t teach them, “Now when you are trying to discover what the Founders meant by something, go look up what dead Swiss and French people wrote. And maybe some Germans, too. And just ignore what all the English and American courts said.”

Obviously you have never heard of "Blackstone". He's a dead brit. They were our enemy you know, but your side is always quoting him in these arguments. Apart from that, you do not seem to have the wherewithal to comprehend that this issue is of trivial concern to law students compared to the great body of law which they are required to learn in order to become attorneys. That you would think they would spend any time researching documents and case law on this without some other compelling need, demonstrates that you simply have no sense of proportion. Or perhaps just no sense.

Yep! I bet that is how all these judges became sooo stupid. (This is sarcasm, in case you didn’t get it.)

Yeah, you seemingly missed Chief Justice of The Supreme Court Marshall's specific quoting of Vattel as the basis for citizenship in the case of the Venus. If you had the ability to comprehend, you would realize you have been blown out of the water and are now lying on the bottom of the ocean. You simply can have NO ANSWER for the FACT that the Supreme Court case in 1814 specifically quotes Vattel's definition.

Until you stare into the abyss of your own WRONGNESS, you will never grow up. Here are the quotes again, and link to the case.

1. The writers upon the law of nations distinguish between a temporary residence in a foreign country for a special purpose and a residence accompanied with an intention to make it a permanent place of abode. The latter is styled by Vattel "domicile," which he defines to be, "a habitation fixed in any place, with an intention of always staying there." Such a person, says this author, becomes a member of the new society, at least as a permanent inhabitant, and is a kind of citizen of an inferior order from the native citizens, but is nevertheless united and subject to the society without participating in all its advantages.

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Marshall:
The whole system of decisions applicable to this subject rests on the law of nations as its base. It is therefore of some importance to inquire how far the writers on that law consider the subjects of one power residing within the territory of another, as retaining their original character or partaking of the character of the nation in which they reside.

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says

"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights."

You read that other case, read THIS ONE and LEARN what you are talking about!

449 posted on 09/30/2011 2:40:01 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: SoJoCo
The two are in no way related. It is akin to saying that if you are against abortion then you should also be against capital punishment.

The two are identical. Pro-lifers argue that a right to life is inherent. Birthers argue that citizenship is inherent. Abortion supporters argue that a baby does not have a right to life until born. Anti-Birthers argue that a baby is not a citizen until it is born.

As for your capitol punishment argument, people draw a distinction between innocent and guilty life. Most people (In America) base their morals on the bible, within which Capitol Punishment is accepted as a norm.

Followed by: "...it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other..."

Yes, that is your most important Madison "sound bite" which you feel the need to repeat continuously. If you will continue to read Madison's description of "place" you will find that it is not a simple transitory birth within American Borders, as you are arguing in favor of.

But from a man who was considered the foremost Constitutional scholar of the times, and whose book was also quoted in numerous legal decisions and used to educate generations of lawyers. It isn't the idle musings of some crackpot.

Whatever his vaunted status may be, a Chief Justice of the Supreme court's opinion trumps his.

And I would point out that nobody in the Venus case claimed to be a natural-born citizen. So any comments were made in dicta.

Obviously no one was running for President in this case either, but that is beside the point. The Chief Justice stated his opinion regarding what were the requirements of citizenship, and he did so by explicitly citing Vattel. What the case was regarding is irrelevant. What the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court believed were the requirements demonstrates what the Highest legal authority (which was nearly contemporaneous with the founders) regarded as the law governing citizenship. It can be therefore accepted that his was the majority opinion of the time. (as can indeed be demonstrated by the abundance of other quotes from people of that era.)

I have read a quote (i'll have to find it again) stating that during this period, British lawyers and British trained lawyers were constantly trying to re-introduce British Common law concepts into American law which had previously been expressly rejected. In some cases they were successful. I think most of the quotes from this era supporting the jus soli argument are the result of too many British trained legal people confusing the issue.

450 posted on 09/30/2011 3:00:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Herbster; DiogenesLamp

Spreading US soil on a foreign delivery room floor is a great idea. Cheaper than hauling a giant slab of dirt around.

To expand on a DL idea, what do you think of this. Build a big delivery room in the shape of a merry-go-round, straddling the US/Mexican border. Charge foreign women a lottery fee to use it. Depending on where it is in its rotation, they either win with a NB American Citizen, or a Mexican national. Since only fifty percent of the women win, the xenophobic crowd will be happy, or at least happier. The soil-only crowd can rejoice in a lot of foreign NBCs who will one day qualify for POTUS.

Win/win.


451 posted on 09/30/2011 3:12:03 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Vickery2010
No, he didn’t. And if you had good examples that he DID, you’d be sharing them. But you can’t, so you don’t.

Now you are lying. You know for a fact I've posted half a dozen examples of News reports indicating Obama was foreign born. There are two videos by Michelle saying he was "Kenyan", There is a video of Obama himself saying it was good to be back "home". (he was in Kenya at the time.) National Public Radio even reported that Obama was born in Kenya, before they scrubbed it. If it weren't for screen capture, we wouldn't even have any proof they did it!

Chris Matthews of "Hard Ball" asserts Obama was born in Indonesia on December 18, 2007, That woman who is the Washington Bureau chief for the Chicago Sun-times reported years ago that Obama told her he lived in Kenya as a child, the list goes on and on and on and on...

As for your cites from earlier reports where he said differently, they don't prove he wasn't lying later. I think the man will say anything he thinks is politically expedient.

For whatever reason, either Obama misleading reporters, or reporters misleading themselves, the Public which read their stuff got the idea that Obama was foreign born. True or not, that is what many people thought, (and many still do today.) Till THAT question was answered satisfactorily, there was no point in worrying about any further disqualification of this jack@ss.

452 posted on 09/30/2011 3:12:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Fantasywriter

LOL!

Those tickets to the merry-go-round can’t be too expensive though...

I hear Hawaii certifications of live birth are pretty cheap.

:oD


453 posted on 09/30/2011 3:20:26 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: Herbster

Good point. Considering that all foreigners have to do is cross the border illegally, and they get an all expenses paid NBC/future POTUS, the merry-go-round would go out of business on the first day.


454 posted on 09/30/2011 3:34:13 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: DiogenesLamp

Well, I am getting pretty good at reading cases, but this one was getting over my head, sooo I called my BFF Fabia Sheen, Esq., who is a very good lawyer. Here is what she said, and I quote, from the notes I scribbled:

1. Congratulations, Perry Mason!!! You just gave case law which supports the holding in Wong Kim Ark relating to allegiance and jurisdiction.

2. People like you are why they don’t let people without law licenses practice law. Or let chimpanzees play with loaded guns.(OH Tee Hee!!!, Fabia is a bigger b&tch than I am!!!)

3. Venus is NOT a citizenship case. It is about a SHIP. (Oh, I am ROTFLMAO!!!)

4. If you were a first year law student, you would have gotten an F on this “masterpiece” because you failed to apply the sited law to the facts of the instant case. (???)

5. To the extent “citizenship” is implicated at all, it is only to the extent of rights and obligations related to temporary residence, and has nothing to do natural born citizens. In fact, a NBC doing business with the belligerent, would have found themselves in the same straights.

6. She said go to this place and cut and paste this:

Syllabus

If a citizen of the United States establishes his domicile in a foreign country between which and the United States hostilities afterwards break out, any property shipped by such citizen before knowledge of the war and captured by an American cruiser after the declaration of war must be condemned as lawful prize.

She also said if you intend to continue attempting to practice law without a license, you should at least have some sort of idea what the case is about. She also said the first seven words (If a citizen of the United States) should have been your clue that this case was NOT was your friend.

7. If you think it takes two citizen parents to be a natural born citizen, then that helps explain your 6 previous errors. (Ouch, she can be sooo castrating!!!)

Oh, Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

She hates this kind of stuff, says that I “owe her”, and I have to help her on a brief this weekend. But that is kind of fun to me.


455 posted on 09/30/2011 3:36:58 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Squeeky

“BFF Fabia Sheen, Esq.”

Oh man-o-Man...

I’m busting my gut already!!

:D


456 posted on 09/30/2011 3:51:12 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: DiogenesLamp

Well, before I had to call in the heavy artillery (Fabia Sheen, Esq.), I did notice this:

“In deciding whether a person has obtained the right of an acquired domicile, it is not to be expected that much if any assistance should be derived from mere elementary writers on the law of nations. They can only lay down the general principles of law, and it becomes the duty of courts to establish rules for the proper application of those principles.”

MERE ELEMENTARY WRITERS ON THE LAW OF NATIONS. . .

Oh, sure. That is good. Oh, I bet you are still having trouble sitting down after Fabia tore you a “new one”!!! I am still laughing about “Perry Mason” and chimpanzees...Oh Tee Hee! And the “ship” thingy!!! OH MY!!!


457 posted on 09/30/2011 3:58:03 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: HerrBlucher
I see, so native born = natural born, therefore any anchor baby can be president. Does anybody believe that the founding fathers actually had that in mind?

It absolutely is NOT what they had in mind. I won't vote for anyone who isn't natural born according to what I was taught in Civics classes (remember those?). Damn the Democrats AND the Republicans for not taking a stand on Obama's native born status prior to the election.

Of the entire disastrous legacy left by Obama, this is the one thing that can ultimately do America the most harm -- and that's saying a LOT.
458 posted on 09/30/2011 4:06:51 PM PDT by SuzyQueIN
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To: DiogenesLamp
"Now you are lying. You know for a fact I've posted half a dozen examples of News reports indicating Obama was foreign born."

Ah, I think I see the problem. I'll take this slow for you.

You wrote: "Obama led everyone to believe that he was foreign born for years prior to running for President."

Now, "Obama" is what we call the 'subject' of this sentence. "Led" is the verb. As constructed, when you say "Obama led," you are saying that Obama is the actor who did something. Following me so far?

Now for that assertion to be supported, you would have to have examples of OBAMA saying he was foreign born. Not Chris Matthews. Not NPR. Not "news reports." Obama. Otherwise, you can't say "Obama led everyone." And the BEST you can seem to do in terms of Obama telling people he was "foreign born" was Obama referring to his father's home country as his "home" while he was visiting there.

Again, I hope this isn't too complicated for you.

You further write that Obama did this "for years prior to running for President." Now I know that Birthers often have trouble with their memories prior to June 2008, but Obama started running for President in February 2007. And because you say he did this "prior to running for President," that would mean he did this prior to February 2007. And all of your examples except two come AFTER February 2007, DURING his Presidential campaign. And even those two were from just six months before he declared, when he was clearly contemplating a run. If you're suggesting that he changed his backstory after he started running for President, it's only hurting your argument for your examples to come while he was running for President.

Now I provided four documented examples of Obama specifically being identified as being BORN in Hawaii prior to 2007, spread out over the course of 15 years. Not merely being referred to as "Hawaiian" or calling Hawaiih his home, but specific references to Hawaii as his place of BIRTH. One of those examples came directly from Obama himself. The best YOU can do is Obama saying "I am so proud to come back home" to some people in Kenya, and Obama saying that he DIDN'T have a childhood in Kenya.

So what's your thesis here? That Obama said he was born in Hawaii from 1990 to 2004, then made undocumented claims that he was "foreign born" between 2004 and 2007, and then went back to claiming he was born in Hawaii in 2007? And you believe Obama did this in the absence of any good examples of Obama ever saying he was born anywhere other than Hawaii?

"That woman who is the Washington Bureau chief for the Chicago Sun-times reported years ago that Obama told her he lived in Kenya as a child,"

It's not surprising that you would leave out the details for that one. Because she didn't say that Obama said he grew up in Kenya; he said that he had more of a childhood in Indonesia than in Kenya. Which is absolutely true. But given your grammar issues above, I can see how it could confuse you.

459 posted on 09/30/2011 4:10:19 PM PDT by Vickery2010
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To: Squeeky

“7. If you think it takes two citizen parents to be a natural born citizen, then that helps explain your 6 previous errors. (Ouch, she can be sooo castrating!!!)

Oh, Tee Hee! Tee Hee!

She hates this kind of stuff, says that I “owe her”, and I have to help her on a brief this weekend. But that is kind of fun to me.”


Could you tell BFF Fabia Sheen, Esq. that trying to ‘castrate’ the Father’s citizenship and natural rights to his son, is not stripped away from his getting an American minor pregnant who may not grant citizenship rights due to thier minor status.

Squeeky Wheel, enjoy!


460 posted on 09/30/2011 4:22:06 PM PDT by Herbster
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