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Posted on 09/25/2011 7:03:47 PM PDT by Liberty1970
Daniele Passerini’s blog 22 Passi d’amore e dintorni has an announcement from Dr. Brian Josephson, retired Cambridge University physics professor regarding an upcoming test that he will carry out on one of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cats:
On October 6th we will have the opportunity to make a long (more then 12 hours) of testing one of the modules of the RC 1 MW generator. The module will be Opened to us and we will have the opportunity to verify weights and volumes of the internal components. Heat measurements will be done at condensing the steam produced in heat exchanger and a secondary circuit where no water will be vaporized. This is NOT an official test of the University of Bologna Because the contract is not active yet.
It’s no clear from this announcement where this testing will be taking place, but presumably it will be done in Uppsala, Sweden where Rossi has announced that testing will be taking place in October. Brian Josephson was a winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973. Regarding Dr. Josephson’s testing, Andrea Rossi stated:
The measurement of energy will not therefore be made on the steam, to avoid all the issues concerning the quality of the steam, but the measurements of energy will be made on the delta T of the water of the secondary circuit heated by the steam! This way, the amount of energy produced will be calculated in an undisputable way. The steam runs in a primary circuit, which is a closed loop, where the steam is condensed after exchanging heat with the water of the secondary circuit, which will never evaporate. Therefore, the energy is calculated on the base of the delta T of the heated water and its flow rate, indipendently from the temperature of the steam, that does not enter in the energy calculation parameters.
From this statement it is clear that Rossi is trying his best to nullify the ‘wet steam’ issue that many people have been speculating on after analyzing videos of the E-Cat that were released earlier this summer. Dr. Josephson’s background in theoretical physics should give some authority to any reports he makes; it will be interesting to see what he finds out, and how his report is received by those who are anxious to hear some definite conclusions regarding the E-Cat.
A totally silly comment. There are a HUGE number of industries that need heat/steam. And the significance of the E-cat as a "front end" for a coal plant would be to reduce the total environmental impact of coal on a "grams of bad stuff per kilowatt of electricity generated". It could potentially allow those coal plants that currently don't meet local max pollutant levels and are about to be shut down to keep operating.
And in the years of 2011 and beyond with the EPA attempting to put another "Clean Air" program in place thereby reducing the tons of carbon companies are permitted to annually expel into the atmosphere.
Perhaps you've heard of it. It's called "Cap and Trade"
"It will be like opening night for David Copperfield or Uri Geller."
I really do hope the e-cat is for real. You know, world peace, new technology to revive the economy, solve globull warming and such.
But, I have more interest in this thing working just to read your excuses for why this is still a hoax even while using one to warm your home.
The only way I'll ever warm my home with one of those things is if it fits in my fireplace and it's combustible.
I find it interesting that Rossi always seems to me mainly preoccupied with “convincing” the “doubters”. If I had something that was half as good as what he claims to have, I’d just make the damned things and sell them. Failing that I’d make them, keep them and sell the electricity. If he truly has a better mousetrap, just get to work catching mice and enough already with all the demos, arguments about steam, etc. etc.
I think its actually very much the opposite. He has not run public demos for months despite clamor for those of us seeking more definitive evidence. He could have provided wide-open access and demos from day one, and yet we've been kept waiting the better part of a year despite all the naysaying and skepticism.
There are valid reasons to more or less ignore those of us in the peanut gallery, as you note. Proving oneself to random anonymous skeptics is way down the list of necessary activities to a successful product launch with an initial customer group unrelated to said skeptics. There is also the risk of giving away too much information to hostile competitors within the LENR field or from traditional energy companies. He has said he's working 16+ hour days, just as one might expect from someone in his situation.
My own impression is that he's virtually ignored the more close-minded skeptics (apart from a comment here or there), while giving a little bit, but only a little bit, of his attention to the more reasonable requests for public proof.
Your original post said ZIP about manufacturing. There are many non-manufacturing businesses that need steam/heat. Right now, they probably use natural gas or electricity (which may be generated by a coal-fired plant).
And the post you were responding to was EXACTLY about coal-fired power plants. Hence my response. Or did you just conveniently forget that??
Words to live by: Don’t feed the trolls.
“It could potentially allow those coal plants that currently don’t meet local max pollutant levels and are about to be shut down to keep operating.”
I quite agree but we know how this would eventually play out. The allowable levels limits would be lowered so that many or all coal fired plants would again be classified as ‘dirty polluters.’
The enviros and their political allies will simply alter the rules to suit their needs. The enviros need to feel morally superior and their political allies need the easy fund-raising and vote getting pitches.
Yeah,you're right. I mis-read B4's statement. I was trying to follow the thread at work during short breaks while juggling about six different tasks.
Hey, no problem.
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