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[Vanity] - Help Needed re Global Warming Being Taught to My 10-Year Old In Scool
vanity | 9/12/2011 | grady

Posted on 09/12/2011 7:21:16 PM PDT by grady

Returning from ball practice tonight, my 5th grader informed me that today, in science class, he learned that carbon dioxide is causing global warming, melting glaciers, etc., etc. My initial reaction was to say "that's a bunch of baloney" but I contained myself. I'm not surprised that they're teaching it, and I'm ok with him hearing about it (it's everywhere nowadays anyway), provided he learns to take in the information with a critical mindset and challenge it. He'll learn more that way anyway.

We discussed the difference between theories and facts, as well as the importance of using the scientific method to get from the former to the latter. I don't want him to simply walk into class and tell the teacher that his dad thinks she's teaching nonsense. Instead, I'd like him to be prepared to challenge the the validity of her lesson by simply asking questions that she'll be unable to answer.

Perhaps he can ask: Does ALL scientists believe that CO2 causes global warming? If not, what do the other scientists think? How do we know global warming is caused by CO2 and not something else? What might prove it's not happening (i.e. current cooling) and has anything like that happened that you know of? Can you explain how the scientific method was applied and supports the theory? Was the earth always the same temperature or has climate always varied?

I don't believe the teacher will be prepared to do anything other than read out of the book. Therefore, I think that if he asks the right questions, and sees that the teacher is unprepared to answer, he might draw his own conclusions as to whether he should believe the hype.

He's a smart kid who's not afraid to respectfully raise such a challenge to a teacher. So, fellow Freepers, this is where I could use your help. How many of you have addressed this before and what suggestions do you have to help my kid put a critical spotlight on this lesson plan? Are there any resources out there I might rely on?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Education; Science; Society; Weather
KEYWORDS: carboncult; education; globalhoaxing; globalwarming; gobalwarming; greenreligion; k12; k12globalwarming; leftganda
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To: grady

Have him ask his teacher “well then, what ended the last ice age 25,000 years ago?” Neanderthal fires? Neanderthal CO2?


21 posted on 09/12/2011 7:37:04 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Am The Person Whom I've Been Waiting For.)
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To: grady

Co2 makes up .036% of the atmosphere. You’d might want to illustrate how little that realli is.


22 posted on 09/12/2011 7:37:10 PM PDT by MNDude (Congratulations Jimmy Carter, you are no longer the worst President in HistorymakE)
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To: grady

Look up the particulars to the fact that water vapor is the number one (by far) greenhouse gas. Have him ask the teacher what scientists are planning to do about the water vapor problem.


23 posted on 09/12/2011 7:38:21 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: grady
I would caution you about arming your child for battle with his teacher. Liberal public school teachers are pretty stupid, and any teacher who believes in global warming especially so. And every liberal I know would have no problem humiliating a child, if the child questions the teacher.

I'm not saying don't educate your child, but also educate him to the fact that liberals choose to be fools, and most of them can't be helped.

24 posted on 09/12/2011 7:38:35 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: grady
FWIW, my FR homepage is a resource containing a multitude of links to Global Warming websites.
25 posted on 09/12/2011 7:38:44 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Army Air Corps

“Teacher”...Why did the British Climate guys change the data to hide the cooling of the Earth?

and then “Teacher” why did the British Climate Guys E-mail each other to lie and hide the fact that they changed the Data”?

and “Teacher” Why do the Global Warming Guys leave out water Vapor in their totals of Green House Gasses?..
since it is the largest ammount of Green House Gass...wont leaving it out make Co2 look alot larger even though it is
insignificant when compared to Water Vapor?
“Isnt that Cheating?” Teacher Do You support Cheating?


26 posted on 09/12/2011 7:39:06 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: grady

Todd Schnitt, a syndicated radio talk host from Tampa, Florida has done a good job over the years of chronicling the fraud through internet documents:

http://www.schnittshow.com/pages/globalwarming.html

Three very important facts:
1. Water vapor is the predominant greenhouse gas.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

2. Solar output is the dominant energy factor. Here is a sample article, though by no means comprehensive, it does show long lived patterns.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=1319

3. Man simply cannot produce enough carbon dioxide to be a climate tipping point.


27 posted on 09/12/2011 7:40:07 PM PDT by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: grady
I do hope they cover the previous popular theory


28 posted on 09/12/2011 7:42:24 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: LouAvul

I think if the discussion (if any) takes place face to face, and not in front of the class, the science teacher — if she has any ethics left — will encourage the student to inquire for himself. I know I believed some pretty wacky things when I was a student and the science teacher encouraged me to check them out scientifically.

If this involves stuff to be regurgitated for a test, your son can simply preface his answers with “many scientists believe” and keep his integrity.


29 posted on 09/12/2011 7:42:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: grady

Schools once taught that Pluto was a planet. Schools now teach it’s not. The Earth was flat, now it’s round.


30 posted on 09/12/2011 7:43:41 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: MNDude
Co2 makes up .036% of the atmosphere. You’d might want to illustrate how little that realli is.

I like this point because it's very accessible for a 10-year old. N and O are very big numbers compared to that fraction of a percent. Makes for good visual reasoning. Thanks.

And thanks to all who've responded...the answers are coming too quickly to keep up!

31 posted on 09/12/2011 7:45:46 PM PDT by grady ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading." - Unknown)
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To: grady

Ask him how accurate he thinks the “weather person” is....can they predict the weather out a week, a month, a year? If not, how the heck can they predict any global warming years from now....

Plus ask him about the dinosaurs...remind him they lived in CANADA...because Canada used to be semi-tropical....where were the humans causing CO2 then? Or the auto’s?

You’ll have him questioning in no time, which will be the best education of all!


32 posted on 09/12/2011 7:46:00 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: Gene Eric

On the Pluto question, they would be amiss to not note that it was formerly considered a planet but that scientists tightened the criteria for a planet well after the discovery of Pluto.

For flat earths one has to go WAY back, further than you’d think. Even some ancients (B.C.) figured the earth to be curved.


33 posted on 09/12/2011 7:46:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
your son can simply preface his answers with “many scientists believe” and keep his integrity.

My kids would answer "the answer you want is X. However, here is why x is wrong....."

34 posted on 09/12/2011 7:46:46 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: grady

“The Sceptics Handbook” would be a good place to start.

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/sh1/the_skeptics_handbook_2-3_lq.pdf


35 posted on 09/12/2011 7:47:07 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: proudtobeanamerican1

What is ‘Calvert?’


36 posted on 09/12/2011 7:48:07 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: grady

Here’s a very recent article that I thought was quite good.

Have a look and if you agree, give it to your kid.

Global Warming: The Campus Non-Debate

http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2011/09/global_warming_the_campus_non-.html


37 posted on 09/12/2011 7:51:00 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: grady
According to Ice Core samples, the Earth has been through several Ice Ages, as well as Tropical Ages. Most if not All occurred before the “evil humans” made cars, hairspray or freon.
38 posted on 09/12/2011 7:52:01 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If this involves stuff to be regurgitated for a test, your son can simply preface his answers with “many scientists believe” and keep his integrity.

Excellent point. He will have to regurgitate this stuff, so that approach helps. In fact, I think any teacher - any respectable one anyway - would have to recognize that such a qualifier makes it a more accurate answer, no matter which side of the debate she chooses to believe.

39 posted on 09/12/2011 7:53:09 PM PDT by grady ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading." - Unknown)
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To: grady

Things to discuss...

In the 1970s, climatologists where spreading a theory of global cooling and a new ice age. You can read a newsweek article on the subject with a quick google search.

A great question... Weren’t scientists at one point concerned about global cooling? It will trip up the teacher... And help him be skeptical.

Next... Nearly all climatologists agree with global warming... However physicists, who are not dependent on climate change grant money to do research often have other hypothesis. A question based on this specific fact will also trip up the teacher who will likely assert that all scientists agree.


40 posted on 09/12/2011 7:55:34 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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