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NAZIS SAY GREER SHOT FIRST, U.S. NAVY DENIES IT; RUSSIANS DRIVE FOES BACK FROM LENINGRAD (9/7/41)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 9/7/41 | Cyrus L. Sulzberger, Daniel T. Brigham, Hanson W. Baldwin

Posted on 09/07/2011 5:35:31 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime” Or view Homer’s posting history .)
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1 posted on 09/07/2011 5:35:39 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
Advance on Moscow – Operations, 26 August-5 December 1941
The Mediterranean Basin
The Far East and the Pacific, 1941 – Major Japanese War Objectives and Planned Opening Attacks
2 posted on 09/07/2011 5:36:46 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Winston S. Churchill, The Grand Alliance

3 posted on 09/07/2011 5:37:46 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; henkster; ...
Accuse President – 2
‘Floating School’ Acquired by NYA – 2
Kiev Defense Firm – 3-4
The International Situation – 3
Planes, Autos Key in City Raid Plan – 4
Navy Launches 2 Light Cruisers – 5-6
Cruiser Launchings Bring Navy Total to 251 to Date – 5
Artillery Brigade Retires Mule with All Honors Due a General – 6
Two More Cruisers are Launched for the American Navy (photos) – 7
Big New Bomber Put in Production (with photo) – 8
The Texts of the Day’s Communiques on the War – 9

The News of the Week in Review
Twenty News Questions – 10
The Atlantic Bastions of Hemisphere Defense (map) – 11
Out Atlantic Defenses Expand Vastly in Year – 12
Answers to Twenty News Questions – 13

4 posted on 09/07/2011 5:39:31 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1941/sep41/f07sep41.htm

British carrier planes raid Tromso

Sunday, September 7, 1941 www.onwar.com

In Norway... The British carrier Victorious sends air attacks against German installations in and around Tromso but little damage is done.


5 posted on 09/07/2011 5:45:44 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.etherington/month/thismonth/07.htm

September 7th, 1941

FRANCE: Paris: The Germans execute Pierre Roche, a member of the Resistance who sabotaged German military telephone lines.

U.S.S.R.: Two squadrons of RAF Hurricanes arrive at Archangel, in the north of Russia.

262 Inf. Div. (GL Edgar Theissen) crosses the Desna River at Oster, about 100 miles west of Konotop. 2nd Panzergruppe units move south making a breakthrough at Konotop. Specifically, 3 Pz. Div. (GL Walter Model) of XXIV A.K. (mot) (GdPzT. Leo Freiherr Geyr von Schweppenberg) crosses the Seim River north of Konotop. (Jeff Chrisman)

Mobile units General Heinz Güderian’s 2nd Panzer Group achieve a breakthrough at Konotop in the Ukraine. General Heinz Güderian’s 2nd Panzer Group driving south, behind the Soviet forces defending Kiev, reaches Lokhvista encircling nearly 600,000 Soviet troops in the Kiev area. (Jack McKillop)

EGYPT: In the Gulf of Suez, the unarmed U.S. freighter SS Steel Seafarer (carrying cargo earmarked for the British Army in Egypt) is bombed and sunk by a Luftwaffe Ju 88 off the Shadwan Islands; her 36-man crew is rescued unharmed. (Jack McKillop)

CHINA: Japanese forces attack Chinese positions near Yuezhou at the beginning of the Second Battle of Changsha.

U.S.A.: Bobby Riggs beats Frank Kovacs to regain U.S. tennis title at Forest Hills, New York. (Jack McKillop)


6 posted on 09/07/2011 5:47:35 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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September 7, 1941

"British Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden notes that 'if we must have preferences, let me murmur in your ear that I prefer Arabs to Jews.' "

7 posted on 09/07/2011 6:09:08 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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2 new cruisers and we’re testing a new bomber too??

We are just war mongering!

/s/


8 posted on 09/07/2011 6:51:30 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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NYC gets a police vehicle with a two way radio... is this the first one? Controlled from the air?? Is that why they had the big car numbers on the police cars?


9 posted on 09/07/2011 6:55:44 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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building 40 aircraft engines a day. ultimately, the US wold produce over 500,000 combat aircraft, an incredible number.

going to take the quiz and see how i do. anyone else?


10 posted on 09/07/2011 6:56:50 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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The first one was placed in car number 54. They still managed to lose track of that vehicle though.


11 posted on 09/07/2011 8:19:08 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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Car 54, where are you??

lol


12 posted on 09/07/2011 8:20:19 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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13 posted on 09/07/2011 8:20:48 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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going to take the quiz and see how i do. anyone else?

I have to start reading the news more carefully. I only got 6 1/2 correct.

14 posted on 09/07/2011 3:12:40 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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you did better than me. i only got 5 of 12


15 posted on 09/07/2011 3:40:16 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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Thank you for taking the time to do the work and post this. Absolutely fascinating.


16 posted on 09/07/2011 3:51:43 PM PDT by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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USS ATLANTA CL 51 - Battle Damage The USS Atlanta received 49 major calibre hits, and one torpedo, during the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal disabling all but the aftmost 5"mount. The midship magazine was set afire and the bridge was riddled, killing most personnel in those spaces including Admiral Scott.

The Japanese were using shore bombardment shells that night which had a devastating effect on an unprotected ship. A single torpedo struck her on the port side in way of the forward engine room flooding both it and the forward boiler room rapidly. The after boiler room flooded in 20 minutes through damaged bulkheads fittings, probably at ruptured piping connections. The emergency diesel generator started up but the ship was left dead in the water, slowly flooding.

I have a detailed sketch showing the position of each hit and have tried to replicate that here. In the bottom picture the white circle represents each hit in addition to the location of the torpedo hit. I might be able to scan in the actual sketch I have in the near future but I hope this helps.

I appears that all the hits to the hull forward were from 5.5 inch shells mostly from the Japanese cruiser Nagara. The 5" mount in position A was hit in the front. Turret B, where my father was stationed was hit in the ammo room beneath the mount. Everyone in the room was killed except my father, who was wounded in the back. His shirt buttons and shoes were blown off as well!! Turret C had its barrels blown clean off by a shell from the USS San Francisco.

The superstructure, both fore and aft, was hit mostly by 8" shells from the San Francisco.

17 posted on 09/07/2011 4:49:50 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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Turret B, where my father was stationed . . .

Another WWII veteran offspring reporting in. We have heard from at least one participant (ex-snook) and the children of participants of several different theatres so far. Polish conscripts in the German army, German army on the eastern front, U.S. Navy in the Pacific, U.S. Army in the Pacific, Army Air Force in Iceland (pre-12/7/41), and probably a few others. And the U.S.A. isn't even offically in the war yet!

18 posted on 09/07/2011 5:11:45 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Don’t forget our good Dane who knew Neils Bohr. I’m always glad to hear in from those who have these tales about their relatives or themselves as well. If you get a chance to scan the picture of the Atlanta, I’d definitely love to see it.


19 posted on 09/07/2011 6:18:55 PM PDT by CougarGA7
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My Pop [4th I.D, Utah Beach], of Portuguese descent, was on the front line at Cherbourg when he saw what he thought was two Germans coming up the road. As he was getting ready to whack them, he heard them speaking Portuguese. They’d been hired as construction workers by the Germans.

I also read somewhere that Portuguese fought on the Eastern Front in the Waffen SS.


20 posted on 09/07/2011 8:58:56 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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