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The charge was led by Captain Obvious.
With the help of a treadmill, the team was able to assess how much energy someone wearing armour would have used (Footage: University of Leeds)

Treadmill shows medieval armour influenced battles

1 posted on 08/27/2011 6:37:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

surprised to hear they had treadmills back then. i thought it was a recent invention.


2 posted on 08/27/2011 6:41:36 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: SunkenCiv

The armor we see in museums is often ( not always) ceremonial in nature. Very little “working” armor has survived in large part because when weapons development made armor obsolete, the high grade steel it was made of got recycled. Nothing so valuable as good steel went to waste.


3 posted on 08/27/2011 6:42:59 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: SunkenCiv

I would submit as a working hypothesis that a medeival knight was in much better physical shape that the average volunteer selected today. Consequently, he could have carried the armour without as much distress. The other interesting observation from looking at old suits of armour is that the medieval man was much smaller that the modern H. Sapien.


4 posted on 08/27/2011 6:43:29 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: SunkenCiv
The charge was led by Captain Obvious.

I'm just glad that U.S. taxpayers don't fund this sort of stoopid research. /s

5 posted on 08/27/2011 6:44:51 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s why knights were armored horsemen - heavy lancers.

Foot soldiers wore less armor - helmet, breast and back, and tassets.


6 posted on 08/27/2011 6:45:40 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: SunkenCiv
i thought you only wore armor like that if you were mounted...
9 posted on 08/27/2011 6:49:04 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SunkenCiv
Medieval suits of armour as depicted were expensive. I doubt that commoners and serfs were able to afford them. Rather, the aristocracy and mercenaries would employ them and I would think on horseback, not on foot.
10 posted on 08/27/2011 6:49:06 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: SunkenCiv
“Captain Obvious,” is right!

That the armour was a problem at Agincourt has been known for years. Master historian John Keegan gave a detailed account in his classic work “Face of Battle” in 1983. (A book most Freepers would find fascinating and a bit inspiring.)

But, these armored human tanks certainly did have their place in medieval warfare for several centuries. They could not simply be countered with a brave serf with a knife.

Oldplayer

14 posted on 08/27/2011 6:52:49 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: SunkenCiv

“May have” had an effect on the battle of Agincourt???

The French were outfitted in armor and attempting to maneuver on muddy ground, and faced an “arrow storm” from the English at fairly close range, many from arrows that were specifically made to penetrate armor. Its difficult to know exactly how many arrows were fired over the course of 5-10 minutes, but it is clear that there were thousands of them, and more than enough to completely overwhelm the French. The French were so confident that mere English archers were no match for the “sophisticated” French, many of them part of the French aristocracy, that they marched to within range of the archers, then tried to stand their ground while the English arrow storm hit them.

In addition, the French cavalry were supposed to attack and defeat the English archers, but each one of them had cut a large pole for himself, sharpened it and planted it in the ground beside his position. When the horsemen approached, the archers just stepped back a couple of paces behind their barricade, and kept on shooting.

Nobody knows how many arrows those English archers fired, but Henry V brought about 3 million arrows with him for the campaign....


17 posted on 08/27/2011 6:57:36 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep saying it.....)
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To: SunkenCiv
I hate to be the one to point out to the “scholars” the bloody obvious...the noble knight of the medieval period fought on horseback! The armor was designed with the assumption the knight was mounted and as such running was inconsequential. There are even images showing the contraption used to raise up and place the armored knight onto their horse. I sure hope we didn't pay for this study.
18 posted on 08/27/2011 6:59:06 AM PDT by Bull Man
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To: SunkenCiv
They could have just asked this guy...

8:42 mile.

21 posted on 08/27/2011 7:05:42 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SunkenCiv
If you put Joe Blow from Peoria into full desert battle gear and dropped him into Anbar, he'd fall to pieces in short order too.

Just like US Rangers train extensively in full gear and extreme weather to prepare for battle, medieval knights trained from the age of 12 on in the art of warfare, including repeated drills and contests in full armor.

Putting randomly selected people from the street, putting them in armor for the first time in their lives and then putting them on a treadmill isn't very meaningful.

22 posted on 08/27/2011 7:14:33 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: SunkenCiv
Let's look at some REAL Gubmint-Funded Science:



23 posted on 08/27/2011 7:17:46 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: SunkenCiv
I've been reading about the history of Plymouth Plantation. During King Phillip's War the puritans were armed as their brethren in England were - breastplates, muskets and 14' pikes. After a couple of disastrous months of trying to chase the Indians into the swamps they figured out that a flintlock and sword is much better.
24 posted on 08/27/2011 7:20:51 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: SunkenCiv

Why bother doing the study? All one needs do is read the battle accounts written at the time. They all say the same thing, no matter which battle. Extended fighting in armor is exhausting. Doh!


29 posted on 08/27/2011 8:01:14 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: SunkenCiv

30 posted on 08/27/2011 8:03:37 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SunkenCiv
These threads are fascinating!

The charge was led by Captain Obvious.

Albeit messy, but the coffee should come right off my monitor... ; )

31 posted on 08/27/2011 8:04:37 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SunkenCiv

I once read that the Roman foot-soldier trained in heavy armor but fought in light armor.


33 posted on 08/27/2011 8:19:56 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: zot

body armour ping


37 posted on 08/27/2011 8:35:33 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SunkenCiv; Caipirabob
In this famous Anglo-French conflict of 1415, French knights were defeated by their English counterparts, despite the fact that they heavily outnumbered them.

Everything old is new again.

41 posted on 08/27/2011 8:44:34 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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