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Bernanke has thrown in towel on economy
CNN Money ^ | 8/10/2011 | Paul R. La Monica

Posted on 08/10/2011 11:36:58 AM PDT by Signalman

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Is the Federal Reserve waving the white surrender flag? It sure looks that way.

The Fed made the unusual (and unprecedented) move on Tuesday to tell the market in plain English that it intends to keep rates near zero for the next two years!

That is disappointing on many levels. First and foremost, it is a crystal clear sign from Ben Bernanke and other Fed members that they think the economic recovery (if one could still call it that) will remain tepid for a long time.

That is probably one of the reasons that the post-Fed euphoria on Tuesday afternoon on Wall Street quickly gave way to despair again on Wednesday.

This is not good. The Great Recession may have technically ended in June 2009. But for many Americans, this current malaise is just an extension of the problems that first began to surface in 2007. Lost Decade anyone

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bernake; currency; economy; manufacturing; trade; war
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1 posted on 08/10/2011 11:37:03 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Signalman

Translation: we keep shooting the horse and it still won’t get up.


2 posted on 08/10/2011 11:45:08 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Signalman

It is looking like the late 60s to me. Anyone else? I was young back then but remember things were just pretty much static except for the muscle cars and then we had the inflation and further malaise of the Carter years and more inflation. It seems like little was built new and when it was it was special, newsworthy.

I found a chart today showing the number of years a person retiring in a given year could expect to withdraw 5% of their savings. The late 60s and early 70s were dismal, worse than the depression years.

I swallow hard to say I don’t think this is all oblabla’s fault but he has sure finished driving the car into the ditch and he has made it the deepest ditch he could find. It will take years and years to get out of this hole. What is different this time is that the chinese and the russians are relatively ahead and the rest of the world, especially us, are behind.


3 posted on 08/10/2011 11:49:40 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Signalman
The Great Recession may have technically ended in June 2009. But for many Americans, this current malaise is just an extension of the problems that first began to surface in 2007.

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "Recession is when a neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. A recovery is when Obama loses his." OK he said it about Carter but it still holds true today.
4 posted on 08/10/2011 11:50:21 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: lurk

I feel so sorry for Mr Bernanke. Not.

This is the very person who testified twice before two congressional panels over the past month who crippled CCB, declaring that spending cuts in the near-term (FY 12) would harm the recovery. Idiot.

Bernanke is no monetarist and Milton Friedman would be spinning in his grave.

If Bernanke had any honor, he would resign.


5 posted on 08/10/2011 11:50:49 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: mwl8787
If Bernanke had any honor, he would resign.

If he had any honor, he'd commit Seppuku.

6 posted on 08/10/2011 11:51:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Signalman
First and foremost, it is a crystal clear sign from Ben Bernanke and other Fed members that they think the economic recovery (if one could still call it that) will remain tepid for a long time.

Gee, what insight from CNN after that "mother of all saviors" deal to save the country from bankruptcy was signed off on.

7 posted on 08/10/2011 11:53:42 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Signalman; Perlstein; SAJ; Lazamataz

If you want to upset a nearby, passing “intellectual,” just remind her that Quantative Easing (QE) has never worked in all of History...and that’s the only plan that 0bama, Democrats, U.S. Treasury, and the Fed have.

A plan that has always failed in the past: QE. That’s their plan for our economy.

In all of Human History, QE has never once worked.


8 posted on 08/10/2011 11:53:47 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: mwl8787

I find it hard to believe that they actually want to keep rates this low. Money is so cheap now that those that dont take advantage of it are missing out and they’re killing the dollar. I think that they should move the rate up to 2% to show the world that we are at least trying to get our fiscal house in order. And at 2% money will still be cheap.


9 posted on 08/10/2011 11:55:36 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Southack
In all of Human History, QE has never once worked.

We are in between QE2 and QE3 presently, so what does that say about the state of mind of the political elite's who have signed off on QE1 and QE2 with thought of QE3?

10 posted on 08/10/2011 11:58:05 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Signalman

In my view, this HAS to end in an inflationary spiral.

I plan on paying for my house with Baraqqi/Bernanke minibucks.


11 posted on 08/10/2011 12:00:40 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Signalman

Those considering Greenspan’s legacy might consider his probable “brilliance” in seeing this financial mess coming ... and getting out.


12 posted on 08/10/2011 12:03:29 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: Signalman

13 posted on 08/10/2011 12:04:47 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: lurk

Your comment gave me the best laugh I’ve had in the middle of this whole sorry mess.

Thanks!


14 posted on 08/10/2011 12:05:08 PM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: mwl8787

It was the Fed who drove the last stake into the heart of America when they started raising interest rates.

I know people overbought and people who had no business getting loans got them but the Fed also had to know that raising the interest rate was going to kill the economy.

They could have even raised them a bit and stepped back to see what happened but they just kept raising them without waiting to see what the result would be until it was too late.


15 posted on 08/10/2011 12:12:57 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Signalman
"Bernanke has thrown in towel on economy

WHAT??? Thrown in the towel? Hardly. By artificially manipulating the interest rates he has in effect given Wall Street a faux QE3. That is why the stock market made it's major rally yesterday. This is a backdoor stimulus operation. Hopefully investors won't fall for this crap this time around. Watching the stock market numbers today shows me that after sleeping on the feel good high of the fake QE3 perhaps investors are realizing that another stimulus just isn't going to work. Another good sign is of course gold steamrollering over anything and everything in it's path.

All that being said without a QE3 and investors inflating the market and our groceries, fuel and all other everyday living items, things are going to get really tight and very ugly on both a personal and a societal level. But, and this is extremely important to understand, we are going to have to go through this pain one way or another. We can either keep up the false hope and quick highs the Fed keeps throwing out there via stimulus scams, notice these bumps will be keep getting shorter and shorter until the system implodes, or we can put a halt to this craziness tighten our belts live a decade or so of extreme but controlled austerity and come out on the other side a leaner more fit and economically sound nation. I choose the latter not just because it is the right thing to do but because the future of our nation depends on it.

16 posted on 08/10/2011 12:13:33 PM PDT by Graneros ("It is no exaggeration to say that the undecided could go one way or another.")
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To: nascarnation

Me too, if they print enough money maybe they can make it happen but I think that was their plan all along but they haven’t been able to make it happen.


17 posted on 08/10/2011 12:18:08 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Signalman

According to one report from FTN Financial, “Three voting members dissented in favor of maintaining the previous ‘extended period’ language. Among those voting against the action were: Richard W. Fisher, Narayana Kocherlakota, and Charles I. Plosser.”

Some dissent is not unusual. But they are more likely to abstain than vote No. And there aren’t often so many of them.


18 posted on 08/10/2011 12:25:03 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Signalman

The alternative would be to allow the dollar to continue being propped up by international bankers and shut down remaining exports from the USA. That would be fine with me, though—shutting down most of the revenues to rottenness, too. Either way, inflate or deflate, we’re heading for a change away from bipartisan political correctness business, government, academic leadership and away from their political correctness in the near future.


19 posted on 08/10/2011 12:46:54 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a noisy avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Always Independent
2% ~ I was thinking we'd be ahead with a negative rate.

In earlier deflationary cycles they've usually let the farmers take it in the rear, with manufacturers simply shutting down and homeowners moving to the streets.

A negative rate for T-bills would tend to share the apparent losses.

20 posted on 08/10/2011 12:47:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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