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1 posted on 08/03/2011 3:43:55 AM PDT by lowbridge
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“Returning adopted kids - unthinkable?”

This is not just a “kid”, but a torturer, killer of animals and attempted murderer, for starters,

So are they supposed to keep him just to prove a point, or should we let the kid kill them and say “the system worked”.


2 posted on 08/03/2011 3:51:54 AM PDT by Joann37
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Many ‘older’ children up for adoption have behavior and mental issues that go unrecognized and undocumented (sometimes just to get them out of the system). These stories seem to be more and more common, esp. with domestic adoptions. Such a shame.


4 posted on 08/03/2011 3:55:39 AM PDT by rintense (God made me a conservative. FR made me a better one. :))
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To: lowbridge

Wow, it’s bad enough adopting an animal that doesn’t work out. I can’t imagine having an adopted kid that is a severe problem. Not sure what the solution is, but I definitely feel for the adoptive parents.


6 posted on 08/03/2011 4:06:05 AM PDT by beaversmom
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“Because the Wescotts can’t afford the lengthy legal process of having the adoption “dissolved,” they are asking the state to enact a law allowing adoptive parents to return children under certain circumstances.”

They think enacting a law like this won’t be a “lengthy process”?


9 posted on 08/03/2011 4:31:20 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: lowbridge

A relative adopted one such “damaged goods” child, who proceeded to do the same things that this youngster did; however, he succeeded in burning the house down to the ground, the two family dogs dying in the fire. At age 16, he left home and subsequently served a lengthy jail term. He frequently torments and threatens his adoptive parents with middle-of-the night phone calls. They had wanted to return him when they discovered the danger signs, but by then it was too late.


11 posted on 08/03/2011 4:45:08 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: lowbridge
But should returns be allowed for adopted children?

Should returns be allowed for sorry pres - - ents?

Can I have a 100% agreement with my statement?

13 posted on 08/03/2011 5:05:18 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, please let it rain in Texas. Amen.)
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To: lowbridge

Kids come with warranties?


15 posted on 08/03/2011 5:20:34 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: lowbridge

sort of like a psychological abortion.


17 posted on 08/03/2011 5:23:43 AM PDT by _a_0_0_
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To: lowbridge
One of my colleagues could not have children and adopted four children over the years. Her youngest, had severe problems which included threats to burn down the house, and hiding knives in his bedroom.

She had the resources to seek out and get psychological care.

All the love they gave and still give the boy could not overcome the horrors he experienced prior to going into child services.

He is now in his late 20's and lives at a mental health center.

His folks visit often and when the doctors clear him, comes home for occasional weekend visits.

My friend is very knowledgeable and knew how to seek out the help the boy needed.

Can't say I fault this family. No one is being served by keeping the situation as it is. It is a tragedy waiting for front page headlines.

18 posted on 08/03/2011 5:34:43 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the Wes)
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Adopted kids don't come with guarantees.
Biological kids don't come with guarantees.

I don't read this story as a story about adoption.
I read this story as preliminary work toward the idea that since abortion is a basic right, and some people grow up to be nothing but trouble, then perhaps euthanasia is also a moral good for society. Perhaps death panels of one sort or another is a "basic moral good".

I'm totally cynical these days. Every news story I see, seems to be laying the groundwork for a horrific society They are planning to have in place twenty years from now.

Philip K. Dick wrote a story ("The Pre-persons") in which the abortion truck would roam neighborhoods. Up until the age of about 12, kids were vulnerable. If the parents were "displeased", they would call the truck and the "little problem" would be loaded in and dealt with.

I don't know if we will arrive at that destination, but I know we're on the road.

19 posted on 08/03/2011 5:37:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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We clearly need more regulation and a lemon law for adopted children. Hold the birth parents accountable for their damage and make them work 3 jobs to pay for the child’s care in institutions.


20 posted on 08/03/2011 5:40:01 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (When they rename the Paddy Wagon, I'll stop complaining about Racist Democrats.)
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I am assuming this is a domestic adoption of an older child. If so, the state knew of his circumstances. Many of the “America’s waiting children” are on medication of all sorts and have horrible history’s of sexual abuse, physical abuse and neglect. That is why I am always OUTRAGED when I read a story about an infant being burned with cigarettes or starved and the birth parents take a parenting class to get the child back. At some point, a child is damaged beyond repair. Sorry to say that but it is true... all the love, patience, understanding in the world WON”T cure them. That is one of the main reasons that my husband and I chose to adopt from China (not that abuse doesn’t occur but the children were younger and there was some medical documentation). We stayed away from Russia because of the RAD... a frightening diagnosis which I interpreted as simply the child will NEVER bond with you in any form. Would I adopt an older child domestically ever? Yes... but only after I fostered the child in my home for at least a year. Just a thought.


21 posted on 08/03/2011 5:55:52 AM PDT by momtothree
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22 posted on 08/03/2011 5:56:19 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: lowbridge
Interesting story, but I'm a bit skeptical.

I've not been directly involved in an adoption before, and I'm sure that there are FReepers who can correct me.

However, I have several close friends and relatives who have adopted children through the state. The number of hoops that they need to jump through are legion (and many of them are ridiculous), and the entire process - from start to finish - took years. Plenty of time to spot warning signs.

For this behavior to "suddenly" show up triggers my BS detector. Not saying that it couldn't happen, just saying that I don't think we're getting the entire story.

23 posted on 08/03/2011 6:08:34 AM PDT by wbill
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when the adoption agency conceals material facts like mental disorders or chronic illnesses not only yes, but yes with a right to damages.

Adoption agencies should not be able to use desperation of wanabe parents as a means of dumping.


27 posted on 08/03/2011 7:13:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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32 posted on 08/03/2011 8:47:02 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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I have no problems with these folks sending the kid back to a government agency. In essence, the law will take him pretty soon anyways...

Now, as it comes to celebrities, if they decide that they didn’t get a big enough PR boost from adoption, not as favorable. I wonder, are there any high profile cases of that having happened? I’d think the media would be all over that, unless they got bought off.


36 posted on 08/03/2011 10:03:01 AM PDT by Professional
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