Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Don't Kill the Oxford Comma!
Salon ^ | THURSDAY, JUN 30, 2011 | MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS

Posted on 07/22/2011 10:38:30 AM PDT by nickcarraway

The university hands down a new edict about punctuation -- but the world's grammar nerds will never back down

Grammar lovers today were saddened, shocked, and mightily displeased at the news that the P.R. department of the University of Oxford has decided to drop the comma for which it is so justly famed. As GalleyCat reported, the university's new style guide advises writers, "As a general rule, do not use the serial/Oxford comma: so write 'a, b and c' not 'a, b, and c'." Cue the collective gasps of horror. The last time the nerd community was this cruelly betrayed, George Lucas was sitting at his desk, thinking, "I shall call him Jar Jar."

The serial comma is one of the sanest punctuation usages in the written language. It gives each element of a series its own distinct place in it, instead of lumping the last two together in one hasty breath. Think about it -- when you bake, you gather up your eggs, butter, sugar, and flour; you don't treat sugar and flour as a pair. That would be crazy. That is why, like evangelicals with "John 3:16" bumper stickers on their SUVs, punctuation worshipers cling to CM 6.19 – the Chicago Manual of Style's decree that "in a series consisting of three or more elements, the elements are separated by commas. When a conjunction joins the last two elements in a series, a comma is used before the conjunction." So valuable is that serial comma that it's on frickin' Page 2 of Strunk and White, right after the possessive apostrophe. And it is good.

There are those who disagree. The AP and New York Times eschew it, and everyone knows what a bunch of hacks that lot is. Here at Salon, meanwhile, I can now reveal that for years one of our great roiling internal tumults was over the serial comma. Our house style, imposed largely by the recently departed despot King Kaufman, was opposed to it. I am, clearly, violently in favor of it, and have spent the better part of the last 15 years enduring the pain of watching our editors systematically remove it from my stories. Oh, how it burns!

Why, in a world where "M I RITE?" constitutes a legitimate conversational volley, would anyone care about an Oxford comma? It's precisely because grammar -- don't even get me started on spelling -- has become so expendable that it's conversely become so precious. A friend tells of a text she got prior to a first date with a new man that read, "I'm looking forward to seeing you, too." As she puts it, "A comma before the 'too'? Nobody does that anymore. I saw that and thought, 'I'm in luuuuuuuv.'"

I'm not saying the serial comma works perfectly before every "and." It certainly shouldn't be employed if you're not describing a series -- hence the term. If you're discussing "my friend, a gentleman and a scholar" and you're using "a gentleman and a scholar" to characterize your friend and not two other people along for the ride, a comma there would be a bad idea. But for clarity in list-making, for that sweet pause of breath before the final item in a group, the serial comma cannot be topped.

It's true that Oxford's new punctuation guide is only for its P.R. department, and it comes with the clause that "when a comma would assist in the meaning of the sentence or helps to resolve ambiguity, it can be used." The university press, Oxford further hastens to remind us, remains "a commercially and editorially autonomous organization." But the prospect of the beloved Oxford comma being dumped by its own kin seems cruelly ominous. It's like Hugh Hefner saying he's no longer interested in blondes. And though you may think you've taken away our beloved little swipe of typeface this time, comma haters, the serial comma community is determined, tenacious, and resilient. We will keep sticking the comma into our sentences, and still sacrifice that one valuable character of our tweets in its service. We may still be reeling with denial, anger, bargaining, and depression, but you will never, ever have our acceptance.

UPDATE: In response to the outrage, Oxford University reassured distraught grammar fans today that its comma drama had been greatly exaggerated. Maria Coyle of the university's press office stated that the edict to eschew the serial comma was only for press releases and internal communication, and furthermore "is not new, it's been online for several years already." The Oxford Dictionary's site has also added a new blog post Thursday, reasserting its tough, pro-comma stance. New Hart's Rules live. Long live Hart's Rules.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Miscellaneous; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: communication; english; grammar; oxfordcomma
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-83 next last
To: Psalm 73

hangin head in shame....


41 posted on 07/22/2011 11:15:46 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Thane_Banquo

Exactly! I always used a comma in that space. The dumbing down of the planet continues in earnest.


42 posted on 07/22/2011 11:16:51 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Dropping the comma before ‘and’ has been allowable for 40 years — depending on which usage guide one uses. It isn’t a new concept.


43 posted on 07/22/2011 11:18:18 AM PDT by TomGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Constitution Day

Lawyers for one thing are very particular about commas. A comma used or not used can very significantly change the interpretation of a contract for one example.


44 posted on 07/22/2011 11:19:50 AM PDT by Hootowl99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Gratuitously deleting the final comma in a series is yet another example of what I decribe as, Greshem’s Law of Grammar: Bad grammar drives out the good.

Despite decades of witnessing the horror of the new usage, even in newer school grammar books, I’ve never brought myself to follow this clearly foolish trend that obfiscates meaning. Oxford should maintain the King’s English rather than defer to the devolutionary grammar of the colonies.

Reading the Oxford decision, I haven’t felt this linguistically betrayed since the U.S. debut of the ubiquitous, long-running, grammatically-influential advertising jarring ditty, “Winston tastes good, like [sic] a cigarette should.”

Kicking out the clarifying, parallel comma is kicking out a supporting wall of Western civilization.


45 posted on 07/22/2011 11:21:35 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Eric in the Ozarks

“How did Oxford come to own the comma in the first place ?”

They agreed to renounce the use of the tilde and umlaut, and traded two semi-quavers for it in the early years of the twentieth century, in an obscure clause of the Balfour Declaration. Like so many things in history, it seemed like a good idea at the time.


46 posted on 07/22/2011 11:25:44 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Both sides need to put aside the partisan bickering, & work out how much free stuff I get)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: apillar

Amen. That’s exactly what I posted. What a bunch of noisey bodies with nothing better to do. Wow...


47 posted on 07/22/2011 11:26:06 AM PDT by cubreporter (From TEA to Shining TEA - Go Rush Limbaugh..a giant of all that is good.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: T-Bird45; Peter W. Kessler; mickie; Bob Ireland; gonzo; Matchett-PI; JulieRNR21; mcmuffin
I was an associate editor for a magazine publishing house back in the day.

I never used, nor do I use now, a comma before the "and".

For instance, I write, "I love oranges, apples and pears.".....or..... "Bill O'Reilly is a socialist, liberal, progressive, populist and statist gas bag."

Many moons ago I borrowed exclamation points from freeper Pete Kessler, and though I have used them profusely, abundantly and frequently over the years I still have many left. I LUV exclamation points! Thanks, Pete!

Punctuation marks, like paragraphs, are our friends!!!

Leni !

48 posted on 07/22/2011 11:26:07 AM PDT by MinuteGal (We need ObamaCare Like Nancy Pelosi Needs a Halloween Mask)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

I find that comma to be unneeded personally.


49 posted on 07/22/2011 11:29:20 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Eats, shoots & leaves.


50 posted on 07/22/2011 11:37:04 AM PDT by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
Com-ma, com-ma, down doobie-doo-down-down.

Com-ma, com-ma, down doobie-doo-down-down.

Breakin' up is hard to do.

[Neil Sedaka, Breaking Up Is Hard to Do.]

51 posted on 07/22/2011 11:37:41 AM PDT by hellbender
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hellbender

Comma comma comma comma comma chameleon.....


52 posted on 07/22/2011 11:38:58 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Hootowl99
Lawyers for one thing are very particular about commas. A comma used or not used can very significantly change the interpretation of a contract for one example.

I remember reading about a court case where money was left for 3 people by a deceased relative. It was to be split evenly between Tom, Dick and Harry. The judges interpretation was that Tom was to receive 50%, Dick and Harry were to split the other 50% as they were judged to be "together" and not separate like Tom.

Interesting stuff!
53 posted on 07/22/2011 11:41:49 AM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Hootowl99

Duly noted. However, the link goes to the video of a song called “Oxford Comma”...(grin)


54 posted on 07/22/2011 11:46:18 AM PDT by Constitution Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I’ve heard that the umlaut and the goose step march are somehow related...


55 posted on 07/22/2011 11:49:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

“Eats shoots, and leaves.”


56 posted on 07/22/2011 11:51:46 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Constitution Day

Was the song about a lawyer? Was I even close? LOL!


57 posted on 07/22/2011 11:53:35 AM PDT by Hootowl99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: Constitution Day; Tax-chick

OK, everybody! Put down the dictionary and nobody gets hurt!

Wish I could understand the lyrics better. The video itself was great. Lots of neat things going on there and no cutaways.

And to answer your question....hey, TC!


58 posted on 07/22/2011 12:02:27 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: hoosierham

Forget about grammar! Have you heard newspeople saying “pitcher” instead of “picture”? This one is happening all over the place.


59 posted on 07/22/2011 12:02:37 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: copaliscrossing

Or how about this?

I model my life on my parents, the pope and Mother Teresa. :-)


60 posted on 07/22/2011 12:05:18 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-83 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson