Here's my idea of welfare reform...comments?

Me | 6/22/11 | Self

[gimme1ibertee]

Here's my idea of welfare reform: comments? (document presented in language of applicant)
Public Assistance Implementation and Usage Contract.

This contract, entered into on (date) and expiring on (18 months from implementation date) by the (state agency) and applicant(s) listed herein (must submit names of applicant and children born to her via birth records),allows for the provision of food,housing allowance,child care and education for the purposes of job placement during the contract period,and is understood by all parties concerned that the provision of aforementioned assistance is on a one-time basis,not to be repeated or reinstated at any time for any reason between the applicant(s) and the agency named herein,and is for the aforementioned time period only,and can only be implemented following presentation of documents proving legal citizenship status and a drug screening process,both of which are to be conducted by the agency.

Once legal citizenship status and drug screen results are known by the agency and the applicant and found to be favorable,this contract can then be implemented.The following covenants hereby apply and are agreed upon by both the named agency herein and the applicant(s) seeking assistance (failure of any one of these covenants will be considered a contract breach on the part of the applicant,and will result in immediate termination of the contract;assistance will be terminated immediately and can never be reinstated at any time in the future for any reason:
Applicant will submit to random home visits which will be unannounced and will occur during the 5-day work week,normally during the mid-day hours;
Applicant will submit to random drug testing as directed by the agency;
Applicant must not conceive,adopt(formally or informally,including family members,immediate or extended),marry or co-habitate during the contract period;
Applicant must attend a one-year vocational program via a voucher provided by the agency;
Applicant must attend each class (two absences will be allowed during the contract period and a doctor's note must be submitted upon returning to class for each absence) and a transportation voucher will be provided by the agency for transportation during class hours;
Child care will be provided by the agency during class hours only.

Once applicant graduates from vocational training, a two-month job-placement period will commence,with child care provided by the agency; Upon applicant's employment,there will be an additional 4 months of ongoing assistance to allow applicant enough time to establish themselves in their occupation and to make child-care arrangements for after the contract period.
Once this contract has reached its expiration date,the assistance provided,all provisions and covenants and financial considerations as well,will cease and terminate permanently.The applicant is barred from any and all future assistance.

I,________________ hereby agree to adhere to all covenants,rules,etc of this contract. I realize and fully understand that I am bound by this contract in order to receive assistance in any form,and that any violation or breach will result in my receiving any form of assistance any further. I agree further that this contract was fully explained to me by the agency caseworker and that I will fully comply.
(sign & date here)____________________________
Agency hereby agrees to and will implement to the best of its ability and obligations,all covenants of this contract. (agency sign & date)_______________________

[AppyPappy]

But what about the CHILREN??????

The whole point of Welfare is for the CHILREN. If you cut off the parent, you cut off the CHILREN!!!

[chris_bdba]

I personally beleive it is time to bring back the poor house.It would be much cheaper to sever large meals for all than it is to have all of them choosing what they get which is not all that nutritous.Each family gets one private room with enough bunks for all and a private toliet and sink.Showers would be communal and segregated by sex.You get no choice in soap shampoo etc.If you want out get a job and earn your way to your won housing.

[chris_bdba]

I personally beleive it is time to bring back the poor house.It would be much cheaper to sever large meals for all than it is to have all of them choosing what they get which is not all that nutritous.Each family gets one private room with enough bunks for all and a private toliet and sink.Showers would be communal and segregated by sex.You get no choice in soap shampoo etc.If you want out get a job and earn your way to your own housing.

[YHAOS]

"????"

That Welfare is a desirable end and therefore is worthy of reform.

[Sarajevo]

This growing underclass of people will (and in many places, already has) outvote the producing class of people. As a result, we as producers will be paying higher and higher taxes to pay for the lifestyles of these parasites.

There is a real simple cure for that problem- property ownership. If you don't own property, you don't vote.

[wastoute]

And you lose your vote while on assistance.

[rokkitapps]

I am not talking about a trailer. I am talking about a no air conditioning w/ pot belly stove for heat cabin with 50 bunkbeds in a 10x50 foot room.

[gimme1ibertee]

the manpower to check up on these people I don’t want to have to pay for,

But you are ok with throwing money at the problem for years and years on end? The manpower is already there,and you're already paying for it.They're called caseworkers.Get em out of the office and into the field where the people are.Something must be done.

far more humane and moral

Yes,it is far more humane and moral to just tell everyone with children and babies that welfare is over,get out,no more checks as of today.Yeah.That makes MUCH more sense than training them to get out and contribute to the society that they're living off of.

I seriously don’t want government in any form being able to go big brother on any segment of our population - that just gets abused and bigger in the long run.

OK,so we better end the raids to find illegal aliens or drug dealers.
Come on...we're talking about local government agency caseworkers visiting welfare recipients-not a raid by the federal government.

no castrating people,

Who said anything about castrating people? Amazing.Look,the bottom line of this proposal is to get people out and working,get them productive,and hopefully ending welfare once and for all.A little state or county-level oversight is not a big deal.As long as the federal government is out of it,there should be no problem.

printed up list of charitable organizations, churches, food banks, job centers, etc and pass them out to people.

And of course there'd be volunteers to do that...NOT.Do you realize how much churches would be hurt by that? And...job centers? We have "job centers":those are federal agencies-something you distrust.And do they provide training free of charge? Forgive me but you seem a little contradictory.

[pnh102]

There is a real simple cure for that problem- property ownership. If you don't own property, you don't vote.

I agree with that idea in principle but instead of property ownership, how about tying it to being a net taxpayer who isn't on any form of government assistance... or being someone who serves or has served honorably in the military instead? There are many net taxpayers who do not own property, but they should have a say in who is running the government.

[gimme1ibertee]

That Welfare is a desirable end and therefore is worthy of reform.

I too reject that premise-since I have seen how wonderful welfare works firsthand. My late sister was a welfare queen for more than 10 years. She was pathetic,lazy,and only wanted to party.She had no ambition,no skills,no car,and couldn't keep a man in her life unless he wanted to just lay around with her occasionally or slap her around.(No man worth his salt wants a lazy,unintelligent woman for a mate!!)
I saw what it did to her kids (who,incredibly,managed to carve out very good lives for themselves and are hard-working and productive people-thanks to other family members interceding).
She just wasted away because she just didn't care.She talked about getting a job but couldn't afford school or child care.Then there was no point in looking any more,as far as she was concerned.She died in poverty.
I'm telling this story not to try and garner sympathy or make excuses for her,Lord knows,she could have taken care of herself if she really wanted to..but living on welfare doesn't foster an atmosphere of ambition,resolve or courage. It sucks the ambition,self-worth and energy out of those who are on it. Because of it,there's no accountability or personal responsibility.It's like winning the lottery for many people. There has to be a movement to smash that perception and get people up off their butts and working.

[gimme1ibertee]

I am not talking about a trailer. I am talking about a no air conditioning w/ pot belly stove for heat cabin with 50 bunkbeds in a 10x50 foot room.

Ok in theory but not in practice.

[bopdowah]

Local or state governments would be in charge,not the feds.

That would be an improvement. Then the states would compete with each other, which is the way it was intended.

I still like the idea of private charity parties.

[rokkitapps]

it would work in practice, but not with liberal pansies running the country, someone would sue.

[Mr. K]

It should be AT LEAST as hard to get Welfare as it is to go to DMV

[gimme1ibertee]

I personally beleive it is time to bring back the poor house.

We all are living in a poorhouse right now...we need commonsense solutions to get out of it. Every little bit helps.
Besides,your idea would end up costing more money,and we already have the bunks and communal showers-they're in big buildings called correctional facilities,which do about as good a job of correcting as your poorhouses would.

[Mr. K]

So... have you turned them in and reported this fraud?

I would.

My brother had an apartment building. He rented it to one welfare queen, who paid her first months rent and never again- it took 6 months to get rid of her.

3 MORE did the exact same thing.

Finally he got wise and decided to show up on the 1st of the month and GET his welfare paid check for rent from her...

THE FIRST FOUR WERE LINED UP WAITING FOR THE MAILMAN~!! THEY WERE ALL STILL COLLECTING MONTHLY RENT PAYMENTS for the place the did not live at.

He reported them all, so they burned his house down. Dumbass is still a liberal though.

[Mr. K]

And here is another nice story- the Buffalo news had an interview with a 16 year old welfare mom.

They asked her why she had a baby.

She said it was because she wanted an apartment.

She knew all she had to to was reproduce and Welfare would set her up in an apartment and start supporting her for as long as she liked.

[Sarajevo]

I can agree with that too. IMO- the big issue is to negate those that don’t have any skin in the game.

[READINABLUESTATE]

A friend of mine several years ago was spouting that the way to deal with it was a first class one way plane ticket to the home country of origin. AND we would forward your welfare checks to you for life as long as you promised to never return.

[gimme1ibertee]

A friend of mine several years ago was spouting that the way to deal with it was a first class one way plane ticket to the home country of origin. AND we would forward your welfare checks to you for life as long as you promised to never return.

Amazing.
Was your friend under the influence when making this brilliant observation?
Not only should we pay for a first-class ticket,we should continue to forward checks to them FOR LIFE...WOW.