Posted on 05/01/2011 12:17:34 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
To begin, I must state that I do not know what it was that led to the banning of Verdugo from Free Republic. It is quite possible he said something absolutely outrageous. However, if this is the case, I am unaware of it. I also wish to state that I do not in the least dispute the right of Jim Robinson to ban anyone from this site--his private property--at any time for any reason. However, I believe the banning of Verdugo was an injustice and I wish to protest it.
I hope everyone who reads this will recall that my own views on many important issues were one hundred eighty degrees removed from those of Verdugo. Certainly as an ultra-right wing sedevacantist Roman Catholic his views on Jews, Israel, and the Middle East fit this description. Furthermore he was an apologist for Robert Sungenis, a man who has over the years become an out-and-out anti-Semite (Verdugo denied this). And he made the absolutely outrageous statement that the Jewish authorities who sentenced J*sus to death for blasphemy "knew" that he was actually "fulfilling messianic prophecy" but did so anyway.
Now, all that being said, I hope my protest against the banning of Verdugo will be accepted as exactly what it is. Despite my own profound disagreements with this poster I never once asked for him to be banned. In fact, I admired him for his dedication to his beliefs and his refusal to change them with the times.
In spite of his own obvious devotion to his religion, his "co-religionists" branded him an "anti-Catholic" and a "hater" (an outrageous falsehood) simply because the stated the obvious truth: that the Catholic Church has changed radically over the past several decades and does not teach what it once did on a variety of issues. This fact is so obvious that only someone willfully blind or willfully mendacious would deny it. Yet for simply stating this the Conciliar Catholics on this forum ganged up on him worse than they have on any Protestant critic and have caused him to be banned while bitter Protestant critics of Catholicism remain. Why is this?
I am aware that most of the Catholics on this forum, a couple of whom are allies of mine, define Catholicism strictly as a cult of personality concerning the reigning Pope. This papolatry is not Catholicism at all as traditionally defined. The fact remains that, however good and well-meaning their supporters may be, the past Popes since at least Pius XI (yes, I said XI) have been liberals. And this goes double for the current Pope and his immediate predecessor, both of whom were and have been remiss in their duties and promoters of extreme radicalism in Biblical and ecumenical matters.
While I am neither a sedevacantist Catholic nor the owner of this site I believe that sedevacantist Catholicism (though not its anti-Semitism) is a legitimate religious opinion for conservatives and feel that a very dangerous precedent has been set here. How long before other sedevacantist or traditionalist Catholics are banned from this forum? (I do not count the case of Catholic monarchists who have been banned because their political beliefs conflicted with the purpose of this web site.)
As I said, it is quite possible that Verdugo said something outrageously offensive and was banned for that reason. If this is the case I apologize for this vanity. But so far as I know he is gone simply because the conciliar Catholics on this forum formed a solid block against him, denying his identity as a Catholic and acting against him in a way they have not acted against any Protestant "bigot." If this perception of mine is correct, then Catholicism is truly gone round the bend. It is now defined exclusively in terms of modernism (especially in Biblical studies) and any Catholic who dares to dissent is now a "closet Protestant bigot."
Again, Jim Rob is the boss. I merely wish to register this protest. Having done this, I have nothing more to say on the matter.
/Done with topic, off to Latin Mass.
I dont understand your response and motivation for it. Perhaps you are thinking I am talking down to you. I have degrees in Mathematics and Computer Science so there is more similarity in our backgrounds. Good day and good luck.
I’m not a chr*stian.
Certainly an unpopular position but not unheard of. I can understand his being banned for insensitive behavior, but not for merely retaining that position when others have changed it.
It doesn’t matter to me, I’ve learned to judge men by their acts, not by their rituals.
I was on the thread. It vanished. I didn’t notice that Verdugo had, also, but oh well ... Anoreth was having fun poking through the bars, but she has other pastimes. I feel sorry for obsessed people, I really do.
This is a news discussion site, even in the religion area. Old theological this-n-that isn’t news.
This still doesn't tell me why you are offended by my protesting the banning of a FReeper because he 1)said the obvious when most people were denying it and 2)held a few unpopular positions well within the conservatism of FR beliefs but was chased out by "co-religionists" who didn't like him.
I'm tired of hearing that Mormons aren't true Christians, etc.
Presumably we all have a common cause here, preserving American freedom. that cause is more important to me at this time than bickering about religion or the lack thereof of other Freepers. This should not be the place for it, we have other things needing immediate attention.
We are all going to lose all religious freedom if we don't stop messing around!
From my point of view it is unquestionable that Verdugo was not in communion with the Magisterium, i.e. he is not a member of the Catholic Church. If he was posting on Catholic Caucus threads he was violating the rules of the Religion Forum. If Alex Murphy or Quix did the same (which they wouldn’t) they would get the same thing.
‘I’m simply commenting that I’d like to see the religious infighting banned from Free Republic’
The only place it is allowed is on ‘Open’ threads on the Religion Forum. It is not allowed on ‘Ecumenical’ or ‘Caucus’ threads.
Winner!
You nailed it. I do not mind discussing religion but the overt judgment by many is just to much to be bothered with.
It won't be because a thread on the religious forum is bickering among each other. I don't like some of the female photos pictured either...and I speak out when I think they've gone too far. and take the flack from those who find them "artistic". But they aren't going to ban them...neither should the religious thread be banned.
When I was a protestant kid in a Catholic school I was actually considered a pagan, the nuns weren't shy about saying it either. I couldn't do anything about it then, but this isn't a parochial school, this is a forum dedicated to patriot ideals. I believe we should keep it that way.
Stop consigning other patriots to Hell because of some small difference in their faith.
I've said it before, the most Christ like man I've ever known is a practicing Jew and if he isn't going to Heaven then Heaven isn't what has been promised.
Yes, and from his point of view you are "not in communion with the magisterium." Are all sedevacantists going to be banned from FR now?
Verdugo spoke the obvious truth: that the Catholic Church has changed in the past few decades. It's too bad that conciliar Catholics' only response to this was to call him a crypto-Protestant "bigot."
“I wouldn’t mind a bit if JimRob shut it down until everyone learns to respect other Freepers. “
Or subdivide it:
Catholic Rant
Protestant Rant
a. Presbyterian
b. Methodist
c. Baptist
d. etc,etc,etc...
Jewish Rant
Etc, Etc, Etc,....
I don't think there is enough spare time to do anything else.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
& QUICKER!
Uhhhhhhhhh
Many RC’s HAVE ganged up on Dr E and I significantly worse.
Thankfully, fairness, sensible integrity and wisdom have prevailed.
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