[freebilly]

Listening to Obama throw his hissy fit about having better things to spend his time on reminded me of Bill Clinton telling us he had better things to do than answer questions about whether he lied to a Grand Jury. Even when Obama tells the truth you know he’s hiding something....

[rovenstinez]

I’m going to bed tonight, with MORE questions raised, than questions answered. I opened up the photo myself in Adobe Illustrator, and it is evident that some tampering could easily be done. We need a second opinion. I’ve got lots of evidence of my birth, a hospital record, a copy from the Vital Statistics, a record at church, letters of congratulations, What I saw on the Internet, was the same thing floating around before the election. Hawaii law DID allow people to be born in the islands, and elsewhere, just had to be brought to register before the infant reached 12 months. I think this is what happened...

[FrankR]

[ecomcon]

Why indeed. Why put this photocopy with high contrast over a lame “security paper” layer? Is that supposed to make people connect it to the COLB they gave out in the beginning? So it’s official looking? That in itself is a kind of forgery.

If his people are that superficial, that condescending, that LAME,....

[reegs]

See my post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711500/posts?page=33#33 where I experimented by scanning to PDF a print out of the White House supplied BC. Scanning to PDF using my copier at work creates the same type of layering when viewed in Adobe Illustrator. The layered file argument is a dead end.

[Longbow1969]

Actually, I think the whole birther conspiracy theory went bust today.

The countless posts about how the long form released is a fake is just the wailing, flailing and gnashing of people obsessed with a conspiracy theory they can’t let go of.

Nothing will satisfy the fanatics. When even Donald Trump concedes that this birth certificate is real, the “skeptics” will claim he too has gone RINO.

It is really time for reason to prevail here and to get on with attacking Obama on the actual issues rather than fantasies. Hussein has been a complete disaster as a President and has an obvious and massive track record of failure. He can be beaten on the issue that the vast majority of American’s will be voting on - the economy. As for the birth certificate conspiracies, they’ve been debunked, are irrelevant and the people still pushing them are making absolute fools of themselves.

[bigbob]

I’m confused too, but one thing is for sure - this document does little to settle the issue, and the controversy now shifts into a discussion of technical imaging and document management (which few of us are experts in).

The question is: why did Obama chose to release the document knowing this? The obvious answer is, Trump was getting way too much traction, and they were scared spitless.

Based on some theories I’ve read tonight - it could be that the only form the BC exists in is electronic, that the original were destroyed long ago. If so, they would know these questions would be asked and wouldn’t it make a lot of sense to have anticipated them and negated them by offering an explanation in advance?

It’s what collectors call “provenance” - and we ain’t got it.

[cruise_missile]

To people that use Adobe this is a forgery.
Obama’s new Birth Certificate - Proven to be altered and changed, Now Just More Questions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9CSvGrT0uM
President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF has Layers - FAKE! (mirror)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-gDH5z0PKI
Obama’s Long Form Certificate of Birth Certificate is a Forgery ~ 04-27-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkulIT7iL
This guy tried to get multiple layers from a scanned in document. Couldn’t.
White House Birth Certificate is Forgery? 2 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPX33ZNdmlo
I think it is a forgery.
The pixelation of the number up at the top “10641” If you do a high magnification on it.
You can se pixelation around it.
Obama’s Birth Certificate Is 100% Fake? Professional Graphics Designer Agrees It’s A Fake 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMxVbPCPBY
Why does President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF Have Layers? 3 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLTtengEvwk
Obama’s Birth Certificate Exposed Debunked as a Layered, Photoshopped, Fraud Hoax? 4 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

Obama Birth Certificate Scam? 2011-04-27 Obama.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c

[Cicero]

There’s no way that the White House Version is a scan of a piece of paper. The AP version is—whether or not the paper was genuine—but the White House version was not.

See the Karl Deninger Video, recently posted here. It is absolutely convincing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c&feature=player_embedded

[Kenny Bunk]

Ping

[Sprite518]

Here is the evidence. All Freepers should watch this video. It does a good explanation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c

[aquila48]

Mr Denninger did a superb piece of forensic work.

I worked a lot on scanners myself (QC for a scanner manufacturer) and there’s no question in my mind that the last “1” in the birth certificate number was added digitally. It is amazing how much evidence that little number contains.

Beside the points already made my Denninger, if you take a close look you will notice two more things:

1. the pixel size is different from the other digits (look at the staircase effect along diagonals)
2. the pixels of that “1” have different gradations of gray, in other words it hasn’t been thresholded like the other digits (whose pixels are solid black or solid white, something that happens when you do a black and white scan.

Trump should hire the best image processing guy and he’ll blow this thing wide open as a fraud!

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2702976/posts?page=1566#1566

[Vendome]

MuBarak is an idiot to have released this “Copy of Date Points” on a Wednesday!

What moron doesn’t know that if you want a story to die you release it over the weekend or on a holiday?

Further, it may have been enough to convince Lieutenant Lakin to continue following orders of deployment as he had done so many times, honorably, as a decorated veteran would do and does.

But no... He let an honorable man hang in the wind, under a cloud of doubt and ruin his career and life. For What?

This settles nothing and I want to see the one he found among his mother’s belongings when she passed in 1995, as well the one that is sealed in his admissions for kindergarten and preschool.

Barak, if this settles it for you then you screwed a fine man and you should be ashamed!

You have no honor.

[Vendome]

This whole BC thing is a put up.  A Fairy Tail!

 

It's a slight of hand and there is no reason to have not put an original copy of his Long Form Birth Certificate out there in the 1st place.

 

But, think of it.  There are three that are known to exist or have existed and has at least two in his possessoin:

 

• The Birth Certificate that was submitted for his admission into the Hawaiian school system.  The files containing that BC and his records for immunization are sealed by court order on MuBarak's requrest.

 

• "If" he used an American Passport for travel to Indonesia and Pakistan, when he turned 18, he would have a copy of his birth certificate from that event.

 

• He absolutely has a Birth Certificate, in it's original black & white format, that "He Found" Among His Mother's belongings, when she passed in 1995.

 

• A friend just reminded me that one gets married they are required to present a Long Form Birth Certificate!!!  NO KIDDING!??  I had completely overlooked that!!!

 

• I do wonder if he had to submit another BC when he returned back to the Hawaii school system to re-enter school???

 

 

 

Let them claim there is no long form.

 

1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  A COLB is a walkup document, meaning you can walk up to the desk, ask for your BC and they will provide an abstract, called a COLB in about 10 minutes.  That means there is a long form and Hawaii statutes, starting at (318)

 

2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?

 

3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 

 

Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?

 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

• His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
•  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
• The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
• The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
• More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

• His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
• The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
• Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 

The point of the birth certificate is to uncover this man's past for it's factual existence and not the narrative we have been told.

 

We want to know if he ever traveled, went to school in America, obtained loans, etc in another name or as a foreign student or as a foreigner!!!!

 

That is what we are after at a minimum.

 

Finally, there can be no doubt Barak was in fact born with a divided citizenship.  He proudly admits as much.

 

That means if we were conscripted by draft into the United States Military during a conflict, when he was 18, he could have avoided the draft by simply returning to another country of his citizenship.  We know and he admits he was a citizen of Kenya at the age of 18 so he could have returned with no penalty, to Kenya and not even I would call him a draft dodger if had under those circumstances.

 

You are wholly one thing or another but not two distinctly different and separate things that conflict with each other's existence.

 

He was born with a divided allegiance and is "Not a Natural Born Citizen".  Might be a citizen but, he ain't a Natural Born Citizen.

[snowsislander]

BTTT. Your analysis exactly accords with my own.

[Stingray]

"...seemingly derived from an OCR process that treats some portions of the document as images and some as characters."

I pulled the White House version (PDF file) into Adobe Illustrator and there are no OCR elements to the page.

OCR generates ASCII text. Every bit of text in that document exists as bit-mapped images, consistent with a document scan.

What appears to me is that the black & white document was scanned as a 1-bit (b&w) bitmap, then overlaid onto a scanned 8-bit color background.

Now here's where they screwed up: the original green sheet scanned in color actually does have a few letters that came across with the rest of the background in that scan, but it looks like someone used PhotoShop to mask out other parts of the text from the color scan, then they simply lined the 1-bit bitmap up on the 8-bit color background in Illustrator and overlaid it.

There are several obvious giveaways here:

The first is the difference in contrast and alignment of the trailing "1" in the 10641 numeric sequence in the upper right. It is pixelated, has lower contrast, features compression artifacts, and is consistent with a heavily compressed JPG image scan.

Most importantly, however, is that the trailing 1 shows clear evidence of "anti-aliasing" which is used in image editing applications to smooth out the "stair-stepping" in diagonal lines (computer pixels are square and when forced along a diagonal or around a curve, you get aliasing: the "stair-stepping" effect you can clearly see in the numbers preceding the final "1".)

Furthermore, with the issue of anti-aliasing ("AA")fresh in mind, look closely at the green background surrounding the aliased numbers: a single scanned image would produce consistent aliasing throughout the entire image, yet the green background shows AA while the numbers do not. This is consistent with a second, aliased scan overlaid on the background.

One more thing: in a document scanned once and saved as a JPG, you would see the same compression artifacts ("mosquito noise") around all the letters, and there would be no separation of the green background from the black letters (as seen in the trailing 1.) Yet in this doctored document, you see a clearly defined white border around all the other numbers, consistent with someone "masking out" whatever was in the original color background scan and overlaying it with the 1-bit aliased b&w document, where the white was selected and deleted, leaving only the black text to "key" over the background.

In short, this is - to my trained eye anyway - a really poorly done composite of one or more different scans cut and pasted together. It's so badly done, anyone with any document scanning and treating experience would have picked up on it right away. The Illustrator layers simply confirm it.

If this is a forgery, it's so bad that it can't be taken seriously as such. So then, why bother going to all this trouble at all, especially posting something they knew would be discovered to be a sham?

My guess? The idiots running this country right now are really this arrogant to believe that something like this was going to fool anybody. Combined with what we know is their monumental stupidity and unprecedented incompetence, and you can see why we're in the trouble we are right now.

[mom.mom]

Just to add to the numbering controversy: according to Jerome Corsi, the numbers were assigned by HDOH (Honolulu office was the only place numbers were assigned) and were stamped with a stamper that automatically advanced 1 digit. Obama's BC was registered August 8th and the Nordyke twins, Aug 11th.

[Texas Songwriter]

There are two or three excellent video demonstration deconstruction of the Obama document. Karl Denningers’ video document is devestating and explained with exquisit simplicity. The visual he demonstrates make it easy for nontechnical viewers to quickly understand the fraud. Others are out there too. We can piss, and bitch, and moan until the cows come home, but unless Trump gets this put up front via his manipulation of the media, this information will not be publicized widely.

[Texas Songwriter]

There are two or three excellent video demonstration deconstruction of the Obama document. Karl Denningers’ video document is devestating and explained with exquisit simplicity. The visual he demonstrates make it easy for nontechnical viewers to quickly understand the fraud. Others are out there too. We can piss, and bitch, and moan until the cows come home, but unless Trump gets this put up front via his manipulation of the media, this information will not be publicized widely.