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1 posted on 04/22/2011 8:03:18 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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This is so far fetched it's ridiculous.
2 posted on 04/22/2011 8:07:04 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (What, if not a bagel and coffee, confirms the existence of a just and loving God?)
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Cameron is a wacky Leftist. I don't like him.

But my God, the man knows how to make movies. I didn't even realize it until I saw a list of his movies. I had no idea he had been involved in so many of my favorite movies, going back several decades. The man is just good at his job.

One way to master your craft is to look at predecessors and to learn from them. Everyone agrees that Riefenstahl was a great film maker. So Cameron studied and learned from her. What's the big deal?

3 posted on 04/22/2011 8:07:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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This is too much of a stretch for me. There is no cinematic similarity whatsoever between Titanic and Triumph of the Will. Zero. I wouldn't waste my money on Avatar so I can't comment, but stylistically, thematically, and artistically, Cameron is not Riefenstahl.
4 posted on 04/22/2011 8:08:43 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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I thought undersea UFOs destroyed the Titanic...


5 posted on 04/22/2011 8:11:07 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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Reads like an undergrad film paper. Draws some pretty wild comparisons; if the subject matter were green-friendly, would probably get a B+ (I know this because I certainly pandered to my professor and TA's when writing up film themes).

But the thesis ultimately fails due to one simple problem. The hero in Titanic was named "Jack", not "Jake". When faced with such elementary carelessness, I must give a failing grade.

6 posted on 04/22/2011 8:12:06 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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7 posted on 04/22/2011 8:12:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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Cameron stole his movie ideas from the nazis? What’s his next movie, TRIUMPH OF THE WILL, PART II starring Sean Penn?


8 posted on 04/22/2011 8:12:33 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Why should Leni Riefenstahl be excluded from all the directors that Cameron ripped off making Avatar?


9 posted on 04/22/2011 8:12:46 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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The 'Titanic' and 'Avatar': A Curious Obsession with Nazi Sympathizer Leni Riefenstahl

...OR, perhaps a certain 'film studies' professor is bored and craves attention

10 posted on 04/22/2011 8:13:48 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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So, Ms. Rienfenstahl one made a cartoon movie about a racially ambiguous little dude with an arrow on his head who wears robes like a buddhist monk and ‘bends’ air... or something?

;-)


13 posted on 04/22/2011 8:18:00 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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Everybody is influenced by everything. Well almost. Probably not a stretch to think that there is some influence. What’s a stretch it to take that idea and say it’s a conscious remake. That’s where things get ridiculous.

Take George Harrison and My Sweet Lord and the Chiffons’ He’s So Fine. I doubt George set out to consciously rewrite or steal He’s So Fine. But doubtless he had heard the song and somewhere along the line it stuck in his brain. I think that’s how most of these things work.


17 posted on 04/22/2011 8:21:56 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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Though there is the argument that Cameron’s movie career is nothing more than a vehicle to help him find his next wife, I find this analysis a far, far reach.


35 posted on 04/22/2011 8:33:07 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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Movie reviewers get paid to write nonsense. This is a good example. Avatar was an anti-American leftist fantasy, but it was a ripoff of Dances with Wolves, not Leni Riefenstal.


37 posted on 04/22/2011 8:39:46 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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There is a very good reason that Cameron is fascinated with Reifenstahl. It’s because she was actually a superb director. The author lists several of her movies, but I wonder if he actually looked at any of them.

She made several dynamic innovations to filmmaking, and was hugely influential in both the very advanced pre-Nazi German film industry, and later, in a secondary way, when many in their film industry fled to the US and ended up in Hollywood.

Directors like Fritz Lang, Billy Wilder, and Fred Zinnemann were all very familiar with Reifenstahl’s techniques and brought them to the US.

And you can see her influence in such movies as The Big Heat, High Noon, and From Here to Eternity.


44 posted on 04/22/2011 8:58:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Anyone staging a political rally or campaign who *hasn't* studied ‘Triumph of the will’ is an idiot (G Gordon Liddy wrote of showing that film to colleagues and they were blown away) and any competent director is deeply familiar with her work, just as any campaign manager, press spokesman or media director would be a nitwit to not have studied Goebbels every technique and strategy.
49 posted on 04/22/2011 9:27:25 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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So, a director recognizes and is influenced by Leni Riefenstahl. He won’t be the first and certainly not the last. She was tremendously inventive and influential in cinematography.

This plays a large role in the continuing fascination with the Nazi era. They were masters of propaganda, and recognized that compelling visual beauty furthered their objectives. From graphic design to fashion design to industrial design to photography, music and movies, they utilized it all and did so with masters of their craft.

That it remains compelling to view is part of the horror, knowing what all the beauty was selling, the putrescent monster lying just beneath the surface. That does not negate the readily apparent skill and the ability of those individuals responsible, however.

This includes Leni Riefenstahl.


68 posted on 04/22/2011 10:13:30 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Ironically, the Nazis made a propaganda film in 1938 also named "Titanic"


75 posted on 04/22/2011 10:52:46 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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I haven’t seen Titanic or Avatar. I have seen Triumph of the Will. Granted it was subtitled, it eerily sounded like it could have been produced by the DNC.


91 posted on 09/27/2011 8:20:57 PM PDT by csvset
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93 posted on 07/05/2018 7:43:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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